FOAK: Part P question

Fitting a new kitchen and I may have to move some sockets in the kitchen.

Is the distance from sink to electrical socket taken from sink edge or tap?

Cheers

 

Does part P say sink or tap and is a tap a sink?

 

took a blunt brush and painted...
Sink edge IWHT.

Well a tap would make a good heatsink. Especially with running cold water.

 

I thought replacement with equal rating was exempt, but I await SWK's
more informed opinion.

 

That's a sweeping statement, and is probably untrue.

You can replace stuff, but you are not allowed to extend the wiring
without invoking Prat P.

The scheme requires that prescribed work be done by someone who is
'competent'. AFAIAA 'competence' has never been tested in law.

Don't run away with the idea that, in general, Council people know
what they're talking about.

When Prezzer specifically excluded councils for charging for Prat P
certification, council interest in the scheme fell to all but zero.
Someone on the diy ng said that thay asked a BCO how many Prat P
certifications they'd done, and the answer was something like 'none in
the past year'.

 

I'm not aware of any policy that stipulates certification in the terms
and conditions.

 

What if the cert gets burned with the dodgy electrics?

 

No, it doesn't, it requires that any work done complies with the
regulations.

http://www.theiet.org/publishing/wiring-regulations/part-p/

It requires that notifiable work have building regulations approval but
a "competent" installer can self-certify.

 

'Competent' has not been defined in law, and it isn't necessary for a
competent person to 'have a proper qualification'.

That wasn't the point.

The OP talks of 'moving sockets'. If these do not include 'extending'
the wiring, it isn't notifiable work.

 

Then your point wasn't clear. What was clear was your statement that the
scheme "requires that prescribed work be done by someone who is
'competent'. "

Regardless of the definition of competent, this statement is false.

 

You're quite right; it's the signing-off that requires competency
(which remains undefined AFAIAA), which in turn makes either what the
council man said to Kevin Stone, or Kevin's interpretation, wrong.

 

Rubbish. You can change anything on a like for like basis, e.g. new
cooker, or extractor fan etc. You can replace damaged sockets.
If however you want a new circuit added, then it should be certified by
a Part P sparky. Passing a Part P installation does not mean that the
person is qualified. It means they work for a Company that is passed
(i.e. has paid) to authorise such work.
Sparkies who have worked for 20 years cannot do pass such work if they
havent paid the fee to be Part P registered. They can do a full rewire
of a office or factory. But they cannot do work in your kitchen. It isnt
about qualifications, it is revenue based legislation.

You can do any work yourself in your own house. If you need Building
Approval, then you can get someone in to check your own work. Or, if
Building Control at the Council are involved, they can get someone in to
check it.
If a sparky is C+G, NICEIC etc, they cannot certify, unless they have
paid to be Part P passed. It has little to do with qualifications.This
has been done to death in uk.diy. Many Councils do not follow the
guidelines, so give misleading advice.

This is the downfall of Part P. You did the 'correct' thing. Others may
not now be able to afford a sparky, or may not wish to DIY due to the
rules surrounding it. So they run an extension lead from a socket in the
kitchen. This makes the installation far more dangerous, the oppostie of
what the legislation was meant to do.
Alan.

 

This is exactly what I do when I run electric equiment (welder etc)
in the shed. It's a PITA, it's less safe, but it's legal,

 

I just don't get this. Why don't you just do the fucking wiring? I
can't see any reason whatsoever that anyone need know about it. It's
what I'd do if I was still in the UK. Certainly what I do in France,
where I've no idea if, or what, regs exist about such things.

 

They made it more difficult to pass off by discontinuing the old
wiring colours when they introduced part p.

Of course, if one happens to have a drum of old coloured twin+earth..

 

Or several

Paul.

 

*Ding*

The exception being if you have plans to sell the house in the future
and it's going to be completely obvious that the wiring has been done
after 2005.

 

It's just one worry that I can do without, really. I don't, oddly,
worry so much about running an extension lead, even given the
increased physical risks. I think I fear petty officialdom more than I
fear getting zapped - that latter is under my control - cunts in
offices aren't.

We're not going to live here forever so yes, we would sell eventually
but I could easily rip the wiring out at the end of X years if I were
to go that route.

 

I'm not a sparky but I do employ them regularly.
I'm pretty sure there isn't a minimum distance in this instance.
A sparks is obliged to use his common sense (1).
The idea is that you place the sockets in a place where they won't get
wet. Sensible but true

1. Imagine that!

 

Houses are sold 'as is', and although if asked about certification it
would be foolish not to state what the position is, the lack doesn't
make the place unsaleable. At worst, there might be some negotiation
about the price, but even that's avoidable if it's made clear up front
that the house is 'in need of modernisation'.