FOAK: Using low octane and leaded fuel

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by YTC#1, Feb 17, 2011.

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    Mark Olson Guest

    It's pretty simple- at altitude, the air is thinner, so it's
    a like having a low compression engine. If that's not enough
    of an explanation, just take it as given, out in the western
    USA at high altitudes, the octane rating of regular unleaded
    is commonly 85 (R+M)/2, whereas in lower elevation areas it's
    87, exactly for this reason. You don't need the higher octane
    so why pay for it.
     
    Mark Olson, Feb 17, 2011
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    Thomas Guest

    Did you miss the part where it's Bolivia? It ain't exactly downtown.
     
    Thomas, Feb 18, 2011
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    You'er mixing two effects.

    Octane rating is a fuel's ability to burn without knock; higher
    combustion pressures increase the likeliehood of knock, so, as higher
    altitude, means lower (maximum[1]) combustion pressure, this reduces
    the chances of knock.

    Mixture richness is affected by altitude as well; carbs will tend to
    produce an over rich mixture at altitude but an FI system may or may
    not, depending on what it measures. The old 8V BMW K series for
    example, that used a flap valve to measure airflow, needed a special
    plug inserting to tell the ECU to lean out the mixture if it was to be
    normally used at high altitude.

    [1] at peak BMEP with the throttle wide open.
     
    Pip Luscher, Feb 18, 2011
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    YTC#1 Guest

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    YTC#1, Feb 19, 2011
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    YTC#1 Guest

    Its a FI engine, an Aprilia Pegaso, same motor as Bonwick's Tenere.
     
    YTC#1, Feb 19, 2011
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    YTC#1 Guest

    At high altitude in the US, I could still buy 93.

    At sea level in Mexico, sometimes only 87 is available.
     
    YTC#1, Feb 19, 2011
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    Mark Olson Guest

    Neither of which contradicts anything I said.

    At sea level, 87 is plenty of octane for even relatively high
    compression bike engines with optimally designed combustion
    chamber shapes. E.g., my SV650 had 11.5:1 compression and
    was designed to use 87 octane (R+M)/2.

    Larger combustion chambers without a centrally located spark
    plug or those with otherwise unfavorable shapes can require higher
    octane than 87 even at significantly lower ratios.

    Really, I wouldn't sweat it. Use higher octane if it makes you
    happy, but as long as you can get 87 at sea level, and 85 at
    high elevations, you're going to be just fine.

    Forced induction engines obviously have different octane
    requirements. But you don't have to take my word for it, just
    read the owner's manual.
     
    Mark Olson, Feb 19, 2011
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  8. If it's got a knock sensor and decent fuelling map in the ECU, it'll
    cope fine. I'd hazard a guess that these days, most FI engines are made
    for the world market and don't require anything special in setup for
    altitude or rubbishy local petrol.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 19, 2011
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