[QUOTE] No, I left it at school to be recycled.[/QUOTE] Ah. The standard lamp I turned in woodwork at school is still in daily use at my Mums. ;-) [QUOTE] shop-bought ones now - one hydraulic platform jobbie, & an under-the-sump screw lift thingy.[/QUOTE] I bought one of the small hydraulic under-the-sump lifts from Makro (£39 I think) and it's already been used to some success with the CB 250 and GPZ 550. Whilst it has it's virtues (like when working on suspension etc) I don't think it's as practical as a proper full length lift. T i m