[QUOTE="Champ"] No, not really. 10 years ago, probably, perhaps less than that, but certainly not two years ago. Two years ago Crescent were running full SB spec K5s, FFS![/QUOTE] I knew it was "so many years ago" and not many at that. The bike and tyre progress is frankly amazing in the past 15 years. [QUOTE] If asked to guess, I'd say that the current crop of road 1000s might just be comparable to the BSB bikes being run before the GSX-R1000 came out, which was 2001. So we're talking 7 years at least.[/QUOTE] And you can pick a new one up for around ?7.5k. Stupid isn't it? (in a good way) Pity you can't buy a Honda/Toyota with 2001 F1 car performance for under ?15k.