Front Numberplates are officially dead.

Yup, agreed. To cover all bikes of all different makes/types/models
it's not doable and makes no sense. Large reflective sticker stuff,
or plastic/metal plates.

To make design rule changes that require a large enough surface
area would not make sense either. I can't think of a way to even
word an ADR 43/01 -migrated to> ADR 61/01-02 to suggest
"a large enough surface area of no more than curvature x to
stick on" ... meh too difficult (nightmare material, in fact maybe
more than require a little rethink of the ADR), specific models
may even disappear from the market, as making them conform
would not make sense for the # of sales.

 

exactly.

the proposed rule change would place the onus on the bike owner to fit
one, even where there was no provision.

this would give police discretion over whether the owner had done a
good enough job of fitting a plate to avoid a fine. and as we all know,
this discretion would have nothing to do with how polite and respectful
the rider was towards the nice policeman, because cops have far too
much integrity to ever abuse their powers in that way.

in short, the proposal was a big **** YOU to motorcyclists from their
good friend, the govt.

well, **** them.

 

and another thing.. riders should be aware these sorts of unworkable
proposals are floated as a tactical means of wearing us down. we're
supposed to think "wow, lucky we won that one, our luck is sure to run
out soon though."

**** 'em. it pisses me off badly. we pay their salaries, not to come up
with this rubbish. bureaucrats should do some real work or expect to
get put out on the street*.

*anyone who knows what most govt. transport depts. are like knows how
often this does happen, they are generally not happy places to work.
you'd think they'd learn from their stupid mistakes, but apparently not.

 

Why is facing all cameras to photograph the rear of the vehicle such a
problem? If they were all speeding bikes could get picked up, after all
there are soo many of them getting away with it. Our government can't
afford to lose all those juicy fines. Who/what road users would lose out
using rear facing cameras?

Al

 

Dear fellow Al, almost every day, everyone who drives does not comply
100% with the law, even coppers. It may be exceeding the limit by a few
km/h or forgetting an indicator to exit a roundabout. All this revenue
not being collected would amount to billions per year and everyone would
lose their licences in a week.

Why just the other day I had a law breaking Avalon pass me in the lane to
the right. I was doing 60 km/h in a 60 km/h zone. There were no children,
obstacles, pop up Styrofoam cutouts, canetoads or any other reason why
his speed of about 70 km/h would not be as safe under the circumstances.
This was one of the connecting roads that had been lowered to 50 km/h by
our local council in defiance of QT recommendations. It was returned to
60 km/h as were similar connecting roads.

Al

 

In aus.motorcycles on 13 Oct 2006 06:04:15 -0700

To get the reason why Guy and the MCC think this is such a step
forward, and why they think front plates are dead, you probably need
to look at the previous editions.

This one has FNPS demoted from major action to minor, tucked away. IT
also has a lot more about road surface being a problem, and more of a
background of bike crashes not being entirely the bike's fault.

It is a huge step forward.

Zebee

 

so out of the hundred replies
only one person cares about getting injured from a front plate
everyone else was just shitty because they wouldn't be able to speed
throught speeed cameras anymore

thanks to all the wood ducks for the replies


Kev

 

and thanks to kev for being a complete tool.

 

The only effective way seems to be fit a sidecar and then the plate can be
mounted to that easily. Cost would be minimal, around $10,000 per bike.

Rear facing cameras is the easy answer for those that think we don't want
front plates just to avoid cameras. What is the problem with that? They
designed a system that doesn't catch some riders, fix the system it's not
the riders fault!

My bike certainly doesn't have anywhere you could mount a front plate
without reducing airflow to the radiator, upsetting its aerodynamics or
causing possible pedestrian injury if I were hit a pedestrian that ran in
front of my bike.

Al

 

You think so ?

Went thro a bit of this in NZ 20 years ago
The Ministry of Transport would propose a really bad idea that would
totally screw us and then after a lot of discussion and argument drop
it back to an idea that only half screwed us.

Standard politics all around the world but still not a good idea for
us.

 

Ah you would support removal of front number plates on cars for safety too,
more cars than bikes, so could halve the spending on plates every year, and
make heaps on the scrap metal of the ones handed back.

 

Seems like this question seems to be the one remaining unanswered. I
believe the actual reasoning for forward mounted cameras is because
prime movers (trucks that carry trailers) don't have a visible rear
plate when coupled. And it was probably considered too difficult to
track back the truck, from the trailer's plate.

So to snap trucks, it needed to be front plates, which gave
motorcycles a break.

Mine's the same. To be honest though, I've got no real fear of hitting
a pedestrian (having said that, I'll probably hit someone tonight).
I'm more worried about damage to me from a general off, or a decrease
in performance due to changes in the engineered aerodynamic that might
cause a crash. If it was made cheap and safe, and didn't completely
destroy the aesthetics, I wouldn't have a problem with a front number
plate. But as the chances of any configuration not meeting those three
standards are minimal, I'm happy it seems to have been denied.

Morgan Vening

 

Cars are designed to accommodate front number plates, motorcycles are not.

If you really wanted to make heaps on scrap metal junk your car!

Boxer

 

The issue of trucks has not been mentioned by the proponents of the front
plates and therefore has nothing to do with it.

Boxer

 

I have hit one, a 10 year old boy. In my car, not on my bike and the blame
was all his, didn't stop him from being badly injured though. Can happen,
it shook me badly at the time. He'd be in his early 30s now. It could have
happened as easily on the bike as in the car, in the same situation there
would still be nothing I could do about it.

Al

 

Why not?...Turn the cameras to face the back of vehicles and no one will
need front plates.

 

I sposse so

Pat
Work to drive, Drive to work...........