[QUOTE] and you are arguing from a position of ignorance. [/QUOTE] I'm not. [QUOTE] No, those on your side of the argument are suggesting that paying some of his fees to reduce the debt he leaves with is molly coddling. [/QUOTE] Is he going to work through a large part of his holidays to support himself or are you going to ride around on a written off bike so he can have fun? Supporting your children is something we all have to accept but they also need to accept that they have to make sacrifices too. I don't think either of your kids are selfish enough to believe that they have a right to fuck about for a large number of weeks every year while you work to support them but there are some out there who do.