[QUOTE="Hog"] When you have no idea whatsoever what you are gibbering about on either level so the sensible thing to do is STFU?[/QUOTE] I have every idea what I'm 'gibbering' about, or perhaps you know of a parallel posting universe whereby Bear hasn't voluntarily displayed the traits I outlined periodically, and over what must be around a decade at least now. There's not many in here who haven't fallen foul of his temper at one stage of another.