Fuel prices

That's ok... it's a free world, I can buy small turbo-diesels for the
work car fleet and you can not buy them and we both end up with what we
want


G-S

 

Your wage is always based on supply and demand, your productivity is a
factor (one of, not the only one) in the demand side of the equation.

JL

 

Sure it matters somewhat, but that's only factor, and I know you may
find this strange, but I consider the medical impact in urban
environments to be far too high and outweigh the positives. Hence why
I have less of a problem with trucks and locos, particularly
interstate ones; limited time in urban environments swings the balance
back in its favour. Diesel particulates are proven to cause lung
cancer (google up an earlier post to GS if you want the links). If
you're driving it between towns then it doesn't matter because they're
going to settle into the soil before anyone breathes them in, in town
however because they're so fine they hang in the air long enough to
stuff up people's lungs.

See other post, I agree coal is very ugly, have never argued any
different. But there's multiple types of pollution - coal is a primary
cause of our green house gas problem, get rid of it in a dozen
countries I can think of and all of sound climate change becomes a
****load easier to fix, from memory it's something like 60% of our
emissions in Oz (could be wrong - someone want to look it up ?).

Just because coal is bad, doesn't make diesel good, it's just bad for
different reasons - hell to some extent EVERYTHING is bad if done to
excess, but there's a sliding scale of impact.

Ahhh you're just trying to pretend it's environmentally friendly-
don't bother, it's not. But you have fairly limited options right now
to buy something that IS green so it's hard to be too critical.

JL

 

Errm no we don't you create a benefit for you and a disutility at
everyone else's expense (pollution, disease, medical cost, social
impact of shortened lifespans etc). That's why it's a govt's job to
legislate against "the tragedy of the commons" one sided equations...


JL
but yes it's a free world you are entitled to partake in any legal
activity, hopefully we'll move as far forward in the next 10 years in
terms of pollution limitation as we have in the last 30 and real soon
it won't be legal and/or price effective for you to do so

 

Errm building nuclear bombs is related but seperate to building
nuclear power stations. Yes Menzies (and in fact later Liberal govts
as well) went a long way towards doing both those things right up to
the early 70s. Then we inexplicably pulled the plug on becoming a
nuclear power - I can only assume the russians or americans leaned on
us for some reason. You don't need nuclear power stations to build
nuclear bombs, although that can be one way to generate plutonium as I
understand it.

JL

 

I've seen a few things on this line, but how hard is it to store
heat ? I would have assumed (possibly incorrectly) that the technology
to store power was more sophisticated/efficient than heat sinks ?

Nice, didn't know about that one.

It's funny y'know, I'm far more optimistic that we can find something
useful to do with it. In fact given we have few earthquakes in Oz and
a lot of unoccupied space I think that becoming a nuclear disposal
area is a potential opportunity to create a resource our descendants
will be 'mining' in a 100 years time.

JL

 

Crap!

Look at all the tosser CEO's pulling in squillions of dollars a year and
roundly rooting the companies they are in charge of.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

You mentioned in another post (and I quote) "limited time in urban
environments swings the balance back in its favour.".

Are you now going to change your mind an say our rural use (primarily
highway) light car diesel option doesn't 'swing the balance back'?

I've looked at Euro IV and Euro V and the drafts for Euro VI and the
preliminaries for Euro VII and I have to say that they lean more towards
my views than yours (or at least yours as I've been able to gather them
from the threads so far).


G-S

 

something a bit more fun than a enfield then again it might be fun any in
oz?

 

Yes but not as far

Pshaw ! Bureaucrats ! What would they know ?

JL
As for my views, I'm being a little tongue in cheek; certainly not
deadly serious. Fine diesel particulates are a bad thing in urban
environments so I guess if it comes down to brass tacks ultimately I'd
like to see all fuel burning vehicles replaced with electrical
vehicles within urban environments - provided the electricity is
appropriately generated. Otherwise it just becomes a shell game. Most
of what is currently being moved by road should be moved by rail
(pref. electric, but I can see a value proposition argument for
diesels there around Oz). Etc etc

The good thing is that the price of fuel is going to force us to
address the problem to a greater extent anyway.

 

Stop flying Business Class noddy
it's upsetting the Toffs


Kev

 

True... these debates will be largely irrelevant in 20 years one way or
the other.


G-S

 

Crap!

Look at all the tosser CEO's pulling in squillions of dollars a year and
roundly rooting the companies they are in charge of.

regards,
CrazyCam[/QUOTE]

It gets better - the scum wear make-up and shiny shoes - and very few to
none are women.
And don't they buy their jobbies anyway?

 

aus.cars,aus.motorcycles

But you're in here touting for Nuclear power?


Well **** a duck.

 

aus.cars,aus.motorcycles

What happened with those Yamaha/Yanmar so-called Military bikes?
Kinda 250 CC trail machines, IIRC.
I know they were on test with an army or three about the place - something
to do with single fuel logistics.

 

I think the 179 claimed 118 hp.

But neither of those are grey motors

And as old tech as the early red motors are now... at the time they were
a huge step forward.


G-S[/QUOTE]

Damm right - they didn't snap their cranks all that often at all, thereby
producing an entire generation or three that weren't trained to feather the
clutch when backing off from extreme RPM

 

I don't remember any Yamahas but the 650 Kwakka was touted as the "next big
thing".
http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/diesel_bikes.htm

 

I don't remember any Yamahas but the 650 Kwakka was touted as the "next big
thing".
http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/diesel_bikes.htm[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that...
Interesting commuter bike insofar as being shitloads more useful that the
scrooters plaguing the roads lately..

 

The main problem with diesel bikes is that diesels really require turbos to
get the required compression and having a hot-as-the-sun turbo between your
knees (and under your fuel-tank) is kinda' un-nice!
This bike is a good effort for a normally-aspirated but it's not gonna
really appeal to "normal" buyers.

 

they also had 40hp diesel outboards for the Navy Zodiacs on-board the
patrol boats


Kev