Garage security

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Mike Buckley, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. Mike Buckley

    Mike Buckley Guest

    I've just got round to playing with our burglar alarm[1], only 8 months
    after moving in :-| I had assumed that the wireless PIR in the garage
    and the wireless key fob were for the house alarm, but in fact it seems
    that the previous owners left us the key fob and wireless PIR and for
    some reason took the main alarm part with them. There are even 4 rawl
    plugs in the garage wall the approximate shape of an alarm unit.

    Anyway.. wireless garage alarms seem cheap as chips - are they any good?
    I'm also looking at Almax chains and a ground anchor but I'm not sure
    2.5m of chain is enough to go through two bikes and an anchor, it's also
    a LOT more than the alarm, but I'd like not to be using my cheapo chain.

    Suggestions for a detached double garage with a single up and over door?


    [1] Had to fit a new PIR in one room for it all to work.
     
    Mike Buckley, Mar 17, 2010
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    ginge Guest


    Can you just wire a pir in the garage, run it to the main alarm as a
    separate zone?
     
    ginge, Mar 17, 2010
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  3. Mike Buckley

    Mike Buckley Guest

    Not easily, as the garage is detached I'd have to go under a path, and
    also the alarm was fitted when the house was built, so all the wiring is
    in plastered channels. Also, the alarm unit in the house has all the
    available zones in use.
     
    Mike Buckley, Mar 17, 2010
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  4. You can get seperate 'add on' wireless alarm systems that can easily
    be interfaced with existing units or better still buy a new unit ,
    they are not that expensive these days and are really easy to install.
     
    steve robinson, Mar 17, 2010
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  5. Mike Buckley

    Mike Buckley Guest

    The add-on might be worth a look but my google mojo has deserted me, if
    it needs a spare zone then it's no use anyway, and I don't want to
    connect to an existing one as I'd like the alarm on all the time I'm not
    in the garage.

    I don't fancy a new unit, it's a 6 core system and after posting a pic
    to an alarm forum they were a bit concerned that it wasn't wired
    properly, and also not using the correct colours, so I'll be leaving
    that alone while it's working. 6 core system with 6 PIRs and one door
    sensor gives me 42 wires to **** up at the unit and that's probably 40
    too many for me to DIY.
     
    Mike Buckley, Mar 17, 2010
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    Fr Jack Guest

    Can't help on the alarm, but for the garage door, how about one of
    these bollards that can be raised and locked in position and drop
    flush with the floor for access? Mounted sufficiently close, they will
    do the job.

    2 placed towards the corners would be better, unless you have a door
    that has 4 locking points, as a favourite way in is to "peel back" a
    corner.
     
    Fr Jack, Mar 17, 2010
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  7. When I was fitting and servicing alarms I was taught that there was no
    such thing as 'correct colours' as it added to the security to keep
    changing them.
    Pah, kid's stuff; wait till you get a big FO B&Q to wire up with the
    thick end of 40 PIRs and all the door contacts, 24 hour fire doors and
    stuff. A 60 zone panel might just about cope.
     
    Steve Fitzgerald, Mar 21, 2010
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  8. You must have been out of the loop sometime , nobody installs alarm
    systems in that manner anymore .

    Even systems as big as BQ might have installed often only have a
    dozen wires comming into the boards , often less .

    The wonders of modern technology , mean the trigger points (pirs
    contactors , smoke alarms ) will send a data signal as apposed to the
    conventional methods of putting the system into alarm state
     
    steve robinson, Mar 21, 2010
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  9. I know, I ripped a fair few of them out over the years.
     
    Steve Fitzgerald, Mar 21, 2010
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  10. I've been 'out of the loop' for over 8 years now (since I decided to
    drive trains for a living) but even before I went, multiplexed systems
    were the way to go and I've dealt with a few good sized ones of those.
    I didn't say that I might install the system described above today
    though.

    The first decent sized system I installed (must be 20 or more years ago
    now) was of the old fashioned type and had around 60 circuits all wired
    back direct to the panel via 10 and 15 pair cables.

    My system here is a 60 zone multiplexed system with about 9 live
    circuits on it (well, you have to take what you can get!) and is as
    distributed as they come.
     
    Steve Fitzgerald, Mar 21, 2010
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  11. Spagetti city , seen many of them in some of the older shopping
    complexes , the alarm engineers used to love the call outs on them :)
     
    steve robinson, Mar 22, 2010
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  12. Oh yes, they weren't that much fun to install either.

    I loved it when multiplexed systems came along. Odd now that the
    Scantronic 9500 seemed such a high tech thing at the time too.
     
    Steve Fitzgerald, Mar 22, 2010
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  13. All we need now is a revolution in data cables and life will become
    simple again , or possibly data engineers that realise that there is
    no need to run individual cables for each unit
     
    steve robinson, Mar 23, 2010
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