[QUOTE="Martin"] Nev.. said.... I could post a pompous line like "if you read what I said not what you think I said..." but I won't. I was asking how you, Nev.., know if bikes are poor fuel economy performers. Not if DOTARS knows, which it clearly doesn't, as it said that it doesn't have the data, in which case, this infers that no-one does....[/QUOTE] Presuming that official testing would produce results which are similarly distorted for bikes as they are for cars, a comparison between real life fuel consumption figures would be fairly indicative of the results. Nev.. '03 ZX12R