Gus Scott

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Julian Bond, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. Julian Bond

    Julian Bond Guest

    RIP.

    I heard yesterday that Gus died in a particularly stupid accident on the
    IoM. He hit a marshal who was crossing the road to get to another
    incident and both died. There were allegedly no yellow flags leading up
    to this. And no blame for an accident he could not have avoided.

    Enough of this.

    Gus is remembered as an entertaining journalist who was not only funny
    to read but admired for having a go at anything including the IoM and
    Macau. And being pretty fast at it as well.
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 16, 2005
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  2. Julian Bond

    Bummers Guest

    All deaths at the IOM are particularly stupid.
    They happen every year.
    This one is no different.

    I feel sorry for the friends & families of those that die but all that
    ride there know the risks.

    If the organisers care they don't show it.

    Barry Sheene had the right idea - don't race there!

    Bummers
     
    Bummers, Jun 16, 2005
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  3. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    How do you feel about people who die mountain climbing? Or caving?
    Or racing at a short circuit?
    This is very true. No one races there without the very real knowledge
    that it could kill them.
    What do you expect them to do to show that "they care"?
    It's certainly not for everyone. However, for those who want to, it
    is an incredible challenge and experience. What would you do - ban it
    to protect people from themselves?

    Just for info, I was a newcomer at the Manx Grand Prix last year
     
    Champ, Jun 16, 2005
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  4. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    Those sort of "avoidable" accidents always seem somehow worse than a
    "normal" crash (c.f. Lee Pullen's death at Spa after hitting a
    marshal)
    I used to love reading his articles. And he was rock hard too - he
    rode at this year's Le Man 24 hour with a broken wrist, only giving up
    in the small hours (and leaving his team mates to share the remaining
    stints) in the middle of the night.
     
    Champ, Jun 16, 2005
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  5. Julian Bond

    Julian Bond Guest

    Well all racing is dangerous and racing at the IoM particularly so. If
    you have an accident there, in lots of places it will hurt and maybe
    kill you. But coming round a corner to find a marshal on your line seems
    exceptionally unlucky and avoidable. Especially with no warning flags.

    And yes, I do agree with you really. It's time for this stuff to stop.

    In a perfect world, there would be a modern race track on the island.
    We'd have WSB at the start of the week, MotoGP at the end of the week
    and a demonstration parade on the old track in the middle of the week.
    Then we could all go over there, have a huge party and we wouldn't have
    to lose racers every year.
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 16, 2005
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  6. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    I realise the world moves on, and we don't do bear-baiting or send
    boys up chimneys anymore. But nowadays, no-one rides the TT course
    unless they want to. Do you really think we should stop all dangerous
    sports?
     
    Champ, Jun 16, 2005
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  7. Julian Bond

    Bummers Guest

    No I don't - I raced for 20 years, rested for 18 & am now racing again.
    In that time I know of 6 or 7 people that have died road racing in
    Australia & how many at GPs/MotoGPs - 4?
    But at the IOM every year it's several, either racers/spectators or both.

    I know that the local community depends to a great extent on the tourist
    & motorcycle enthusiast's pounds for their income but at what cost? -
    to me it seems crazy logic.

    Bummers
     
    Bummers, Jun 16, 2005
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  8. Julian Bond

    Ed Light Guest

    They could initiate a public works project to put gravel traps at each
    corner. In the meantime they could put out air fence.

    Heh heh. Just dreaming.

    But why not the air fence?
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    Ed Light, Jun 16, 2005
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  9. Julian Bond

    Julian Bond Guest

    Go watch the videos. You'll see why not.
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 17, 2005
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  10. Julian Bond

    Julian Bond Guest

    Not that it makes any difference, but it's very, very rare for racers to
    have accidents that end up killing spectators. The spectators are
    perfectly able to do that all on their own. The closest comparison is
    somewhere like the Nurburgring. Let people ride on the road near or on
    the track and outside the racing and some of them will screw up. Hell,
    it happens at Daytona too.

    The IoM is enormous fun. It's a week long party with good beer. It's a
    rush to ride 2/3 of the course as fast as you dare with no speed limits.
    And you need to hold your breath for a week. But by organising races we
    are to some extent responsible for what happens in them. And I'm no
    longer comfortable with the view that the throttle works both ways and
    if people want to use the track we should help them and just do our best
    to take the rough edges off.

    Maybe I'm just turning into my father. He loved racing and worked way
    too hard to help organise races. But eventually he had to attend one
    inquest too many. And that one was for an amateur marshal who was hit by
    a flying car that landed on the marshal's post. And that was that. This
    case with Gus Scott feels the same. An amateur marshal who probably
    thought they were trying to help, got themselves in the wrong place at
    the wrong time. And both they and Gus paid for it.

    Damn that feels maudlin and I don't mean it to be. I still love watching
    racing. But even on the very safest circuits, motorcycle racers injure,
    maim and sometimes kill themselves. I guess it's just the way it is.
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 17, 2005
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  11. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    This is not quite true. At the Manx GP, there is no prize money at
    all. At the TT, however, there is, and combined with start money it
    can add up to a decent pay day for the riders taking the top
    positions.
    It is one of *the* great motorcycling festivals. Anyone interested in
    bikes and racing should go at least once.
    He was. Road racing is a different skill from short cicuit racing.
    Comparing them with circuit riders is as foolish as comparing
    competition trials riders (have you seen what those guys can do on a
    motorcycle?) with GP riders.
     
    Champ, Jun 17, 2005
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  12. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    Pounds Sterling, dear boy, Pounds Sterling!

    And it's still worth having. Lead every lap of the Superbike race and
    you make £22,000 (approx $40k US).

    a full list of prize monies is here :
    http://www.iomtt.com/riders/TT_Regs.pdf (pagea 21 to 27)
     
    Champ, Jun 17, 2005
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  13. Julian Bond

    Julian Bond Guest

    But then it's also seriously expensive to do. You'll end up with at
    least 500 miles of race and practice with big portions of that with the
    throttle against the stop. The 600s reckon that next year they'll need 2
    frames and 4 engines for one top flight rider to do the two 600 races.
    They don't take that kindly to spending quite so much time at 15,000 in
    top.

    Until you watch the video, I don't think you realise just how fast many
    of the sections are or how long they hold it wide open. But then the lap
    record is now up at about 127mph (125) average for Superbikes and
    Superstock 1000s and 122-120Mph for 600ss, 600 superstock
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 17, 2005
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  14. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    The start money for the TT is reckoned to be reasonable, tho I've no
    idea what the numbers actually are. I'm sure the wouldn't come close
    to meeting the costs of a top team, but a good private rider can come
    out ok, so I've been told.
     
    Champ, Jun 17, 2005
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