Haiti

NIMBY situation and I wouldn't want to live next to one, or a coal
station or a wind farm.

As someone else pointed out, the worse industrial disaster (yeah - OK,
after British Leyland - I did like that line) was Bopal.

Get a space elevator going and eject the waste away from Earth and
I'd be happy. Cold fusion and go for it. But even without either of
those technologies, I think we are seriouosly going to need to go
nuclear even if my heart ain't really in it.

 

Agreed, Collapsium is the best in the series, the ideas are great and you
can't fault the physics behind it. Not when he writes it all down.

It's one of my favourites along with Stross' Accelerando and Reynolds'
Pushing Ice.

 

Hence I divided up my classifications into short, long and very long.

Oooh I like that word!!!!

At least you discuss things, which is an admirable trait!

Don't forget the solar cycles and the effect on the solar wind/flares.
That is now believed to have a greater effect on short term climate
change than before.

Heliosat family and the old Magnitosat now replace by part of CHAMP's
mission (not our Champ) and SWARM to thank for that data.

It's not the trigger that gets you it's the bullet!

As I said it has its own natural cycle.

?? That would upset a lot of Satellite Guys I worked with not to mention
NOAA who do a very fine job in that direction.

That's the temperature into the Caribbean and Gulf area of the Global
Conveyer. It has risen significantly and is the cause of the intensity
of hurricanes in the last few years. The Atlantic conveyer has tended
toward the East Coast of the States as well. (A possible cause of ice
melting naturally?) The temp of what's left to transit the Atlantic
hasn't changed anywhere near as much as in the Caribbean area.

Surface and deep water buoys do a fine job in that direction and is
backed up well by SPOT and NOAA's Sats.

Historically it can be done by its effect on the global weather.
Recorded in historical manuscripts and data derived from core samples
both ice and sea bed, coral growth in warmer latitudes etc.

If it does happen in my life time, I'm moving somewhere warmer.


Ohh the water gets muddier:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/152422/The-new-climate-change-scandal

OK I know it's the Express but I can't find the original. I think it
was in Science Today or it sound like that.

I thought Pachauri and the IPCC were brighter than that. I know Gore
isn't.

Smacks of Tony, his WMD and 45minute being based on a student's
scribbling 10 years before.


You may have been closer to the truth, than you thought, with your
original inclusion )> :

************************************************************

Tomorrow at the IPCC:

Rajendra Pachauri: "Great work on climate change guys, but we've got a
question: there are some things called ''Milankovitch cycles'', did
anyone take account of them?"

Scientists: "Shit! No! This changes everything!"

Rajendra Pachauri: "Also, did anyone work out how much of the change is
natural variation, and what is man made?"

Scientists: "Bugger, we knew we'd forgotten something."


That sort of crass stupidity is unbecomming, Mick. ????????

 

In 1980 I worked with an American guy who had worked on the reactor
electronic control system for 3 mile island. The company he worked for
had produced some prototype circuit boards that had been tested for a
long time but ended up being installed to save costs.

These control systems were the only thing that was keeping 'The lid on
things' as it were.

As he said to me when I asked was it in a safe state.

"How would you feel about a control system now submerged with the water
used to control the incident, basically built out of Radio Shack parts
that is in a box not intended to be under water?"

He also said the initial problem was made critical by the high pressure
air and water 'snap on' connectors being the same type and the same
colour and next to each other. An operator was told to clear a valve
using a hose connected to the water line but connected it to the air. It
was air pumped in that buggered up the pumps. I think I got that the
right way round.

 

Wind turbines
Sea turbines
Tidal dams
Geothermal
Big Solar stuff like the Sahara
Develop low loss power transmission

Loads of power sources around, we are just using the wrong sort.

 

Jesus, what is this, 2004?

http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread_archive.asp?threadid=8951

 

Not changed to "within F's daughter's lifetime" yet?

 

I'm with you on this one. The objections raised by the NIMBY's and the
Greens to deep burial of radioactive waste was that miniscule possibility
the geological activity *might* just possibly allow a few long half life
particles to leach to the surface in 10,000 to 100,000 years. Seems like an
absurd argument to me.

Given the depth of the mines and the type of strata it is highly unlikely
that even a huge earthquake would do so anyway. It will most likely be
undersea tunnels in the UK anyway. And if a volcanic eruption comes up
through it I doubt the locals will be concerned about the additional
radioactivity.

 

I have more faith in them than you do then. But still, designs should be
"idiot proof".

Cooling systems that can maintain safe core temperature by convection and
coolant/air heat exchangers alone.
Suspended moderator rods that failsafe into the inserted position
Tough containment vessels and enclosures
Containment vessels with disaster scenario burst discs in the base
Building the core suspended over a cup excavated from the bedrock so if the
impossible does happen it dumps, is contained, eventually cools and can be
concreted over.

So, building a failsafe design but incorporating disaster scenario features
as well.

Funnily enough we don't hear any public speculation yet of what the
consequences of a containment failure in a commercial scale Fusion Reactor
would be. Despite the scale of R&D investment. Pretty fucking scary I expect
and that's probably why they don't discuss it (in public).

 

Heh ok but you know we are talking about X00MW of GW class civilian nuclear
power stations

 

*snort*

 

That's really fucked up logic. We live to consume, to enjoy, to sign out
after a life of pleasure and excess. Possibly to provide the same for our
children. Not to build a utopia for some far future generation.

 

<casts line, and got one>


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Well that's why I made the ginge comment wasn't it. I didn't get to
the UK til 2006 and late last night couldn't be arsed hunting around
to see whether you guys had seen it. But figured you probably had.

And just because another website says it _isn't_ true doesn't mean it
is correct either.

I'm inclined to go with the made-up story though. It just doesn't ring
true. And as it is 1am on a weekday here I'm not going to go hunting
more for info.

I'm inclined to believe the bit I did read on that link though.

Bedtime.

 

They invented it for themselves, not me. Selfish cunts all.

 

I've had enough of dealing with the crap from yours.

 

Well of course, you had it tough.

 

The baby boomers had everything \u2013 free education, free health
care and remarkable personal liberties \u2013 but they squandered it
all. Now their children are paying for it

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/01/remarkable-personal-free

 

It kinda skirts over "raping the wealth of the world so we could all have an
easier life". Which seems like a good idea.

 

Last I saw of him he was rescuing some tart in the jungle bordering
Camaroon. [1]

[1] Shit film, the title of which doesn't deserve a mention.

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