Hands get numb!

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Technical Discussion' started by That One, Aug 10, 2009.

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    That One Guest

    If I ride more than about 15 minutes, my hands start getting numb, I presume
    from the vibration in the handlebars. I have a 2-cyl cruiser, and it
    doesn't seem to vibrate a whole lot to me, but my hands sure feel it.
    Wearing gloves helps some, but not nearly enough.

    Anyone else have this problem?

    Any suggestions?

    Someone put some all steel custom grips on my bike. I thought about
    changing them to some with the rubber inserts, but it doesn't look like
    enough rubber to make a whole lot of difference to me. Besides, the damn
    handgrips are pretty expensive just to try to try something that may or may
    not work.
     
    That One, Aug 10, 2009
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    Runk Guest

    We all have that problem , and the older you get the worst the numbness
    gets.The best thing to do is get some nice foam grips so they are bigger in
    diameter and a throttle rocker for the gas and practice a looser grip , much
    more relaxed. A nice light good fitting leather glove helps also.
     
    Runk, Aug 10, 2009
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  3. I can bang out 300-400 miles in a day.

    I like motocross grips. I also need a fairly upright riding
    posture. If I'm riding bent over, with weight on my hands,
    I have all kinds of numbness.

    I've also gone to lighter throttle springs and I need to
    replace the bevel gears in the throttle assembly to
    smooth it out a little.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Aug 10, 2009
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    frijoli Guest

    Make sure your gloves fit properly. Loosening you grip on
    the bars may help too.

    I find rubber grips are the best. Even though it doesn't
    seem like much rubber. Foam grips are the worst in my
    experience, and really kills my hands and makes them numb.

    Also look up bar weights and vibration dampening filling.
    This can be help alot.

    Check your suspension for easy movement and proper oil. This
    can be HUGE if not set properly or dirty or to thick of an oil.

    Clay
     
    frijoli, Aug 10, 2009
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    ¿ Guest

    You're probably experiencing Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and/or Guyon's
    Canal Syndrome. Three-time GP world champion Freddy Spencer had to
    retire from racing because of CTS.

    AIR, CTS causes the ring finger and little finger to go numb and GCS
    causes the
    middle finger and index finger to go numb.

    CTS and GCS are caused by pinching nerves in the wrist and this
    pinching can be
    reduced by correctly positioning the clutch and brake levers so you
    cannot see them from your normal riding position.

    Keep the back of your hand in line with your forearm and, regardless
    of what the "safety experts" say, DO NOT "cover" the brake and clutch
    levers with your fingers unless you are riding in the city.

    Anytime you do feel you have to "cover" the levers, keep your fingers,
    back of your hand, and forearms straight in line.

    When you're out on the highway, just wrap your whole hand around the
    grips, keep your hands straight with your forearms, and support your
    weight with your torso muscles, keeping the weight off your palms, and
    you'll be able to ride all
    day in comfort.

    Also, there are riding gloves with padded palms that have a channel in
    the padding to help prevent CTS.

    But you won't experience CTS at all, if you position your hands,
    fingers and forearms correctly.
     
    ¿, Aug 10, 2009
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    lugnut Guest


    It came time to replace my 30 year old grips a couple of
    years back. Here in the South, a grip with metal on the
    grip area was out of the question unless I wanted blisters.
    The metal is also more difficult to grip and hold which I
    didn't think would be good since a firmer grip would likely
    aggravate the artheritis a bit. I went with a solid rubber
    ProGrip which has a tacky - not sticky - very easily
    gripped surface. I tried the foam and found them to have a
    weird feel. Some of the used ones I tried on other bikes
    felt like a wet sticky sponge after a few monthes of use.
    The smoother rubber surface of this model ProGrip is much
    more natural to me and allows a more normal feel of the bike
    through the bars with a relaxed grip on them. I do not like
    heavily embossed grips like many imports and dirt bikes
    have. They seem to transmit the vibration into many little
    concentrated areas. The hard rubber or plastic grips with
    a smooth or shiny surface are damn near impossible to hold
    when wet or sweaty like the metal ones. For longer rides, I
    like the warm weather gloves with the gel pad in the palms.
    They do not work well for me with large diameter grips. You
    may also want to consider the natural curve of your hand
    when relaxed. You do not want a grip that requires you to
    squeeze down or open up more than is comfortable for you.
    As I have gotten older, my hands do not fully make a fist
    without a bit of effort. You also want to use a bar that
    has the hands below chest level for good blood flow and do
    not require you to stretch for them. I had this problem
    even in my youth with high bars.

    Look for a selection of grips online from various
    manufacturers. I ended up with the ProGrips through my
    local dealer who stocks most of their line but, not the one
    I wanted. He was able to ge what I wanted overnite from his
    warehouse at no extra charge and he matched the online price
    like he does on many other items.

    Just the thoughts of an old fart still trying to enjoy two
    wheels.

    Lugnut
     
    lugnut, Aug 10, 2009
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    That One Guest

    Thanks. Lots of good ideas here. I appreciate them.

    Question: My bike has a throttle grip that has a groove for the throttle
    cable. These progrips look like just the rubber part. How do I get new
    grips if I need the throttle grip too?

    I have Kawasaki Mean Streak 1" handlebars. Do I have to go to Kawasaki OEM
    which are about $90 and don;t look all that much better than what I have?
     
    That One, Aug 11, 2009
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    frijoli Guest

    If your going to replace the throttle, check out
    Bikebandit.com They sell OEM parts.

    If you go back with the stock throttle you can use many
    different brands of slip on grips.

    The other option is to by an aftermarket "fancy" set similar
    to what you have now.
    Kuryakin has some, and others as well.


    You may also want to look into Hunter Flat Bars.
     
    frijoli, Aug 11, 2009
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    Gael Guest

    You can buy a pair of padded motorcycle gloves for about $50, and if
    you don't want to spend that much money on gloves, you can go down to
    the tool department your local hardware store and buy a pair of
    mechanic's padded gloves for about $25.

    You'll see that wearing padded gloves and *correctly positioning* your
    hands and arms will eliminate the carpal tunnel and guyon's canal
    syndrome pain.
     
    Gael, Aug 11, 2009
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    lugnut Guest

    If you have what I think. the grips are nothing more than
    covers that must be removed from the actual throttle sleeve.
    You will need to specify whether you have 7/8", 1" or 1 1/4"
    handle bars. A new pair of grips will have the correct
    inside diameter to "slip on" to the throttle sleeve. Some
    are glued on which may be the case with your old grips.
    That can make them difficult or impossible to remove in one
    piece. My choice of tools for metal grips would be an air
    cutoff wheel used carefully to split the old cover.

    Lugnut
     
    lugnut, Aug 11, 2009
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    That One Guest

    Yep. Looks like the throttle side is glued to the throttle sleeve. I tried
    soaking it in carb cleaner and paint stripper, but it didn't budge. The
    left grip is just held on with a couple of setscrews.
     
    That One, Aug 12, 2009
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    That One Guest

    You can buy a pair of padded motorcycle gloves for about $50, and if
    you don't want to spend that much money on gloves, you can go down to
    the tool department your local hardware store and buy a pair of
    mechanic's padded gloves for about $25.

    You'll see that wearing padded gloves and *correctly positioning* your
    hands and arms will eliminate the carpal tunnel and guyon's canal
    syndrome pain.


    Gonna get me some good gloves and reposition the clutch and brake levers.
    They seem to be too low right now. Also, I understand what you are saying
    about the weight supporting and about not covering the levers.

    Thanks
     
    That One, Aug 12, 2009
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  13. If you've got access to compressed air, that
    works pretty well sometimes. If you can get
    air into the grip at either end, it'll often blow
    the grip right off. Maybe 40-50 psi or so.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Aug 12, 2009
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    lugnut Guest


    Once the outer grip cover is removed, I have found a wire
    wheel on the bench grinder to make quick work of cleanup on
    the throttle sleeve or tube once any metal decoration is
    removed. Most grip come with glue to keep them in place.
    They are usually tight enough going on that I just coat the
    inside with a little liquid soap or even electrical conduit
    lube. Let it sit overnite and it doesn't budge.

    I never thought of air to blast the old ones off; I will
    have to try thet next time.

    Lugnut
     
    lugnut, Aug 12, 2009
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  15. I do some volunteer wrenching on donated
    bicycles for charities and this is a popular
    method of grip removal and installation.

    My other preferred removal method is a Swiss
    army knife.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Aug 12, 2009
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    Jeff Mayner Guest



    Grip Puppies!
     
    Jeff Mayner, Aug 13, 2009
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    James Poe Guest

    I would advise starting a light weight-lifting routine. Concentrate
    on range of motion. Nothing to drastic. Even old-fashioned
    jumping-jacks, shoulder rolls and the like will help. If you allready
    tried this, never mind.
     
    James Poe, Aug 21, 2009
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    Brafield Guest

    Above all, don't ignore it, and don't "Man" it.
    This thread reminded me of some research in the UK over 35 years ago
    into "white finger diesease". One researcher stepped outside the
    usual factory machine / hand-tool paradigm, and went and tested
    speedway riders -- I wish I had kept the article. He found a
    significant proportion of speedway riders had chronic incurable (ie,
    too late for exercises and intervention) white-finger disease, but
    nobody was talking about it. Whether newer frames and engines have
    made things better in thelast 30 years I have no idea.
     
    Brafield, Aug 26, 2009
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  19. The basic arrangement of nerves going through the wrists and the palms
    of your hands hasn't changed in the last 40,000 years.

    The problem of numb hands on the bars has little to do with frame and
    engine design. What matters is how the rider hangs on to the grips and
    where his weight rests.

    Read up on "carpal tunnel syndrome" and "guyon's canal syndrome" and
    you will be enlightened, grasshopper.

    Keep your fingers curled and keep your weight off the palms of your
    hands and your wrists as much as possible and ride pain free as I do.
     
    little man upon the stair, Aug 26, 2009
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  20. You idiot. Think of the difference in vibration between, say, an old
    Brit single and a modern balanced four, or better still, a rotary.

    Which do you think will vibrate worse and aggravate the condition.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 26, 2009
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