Lozzo () says... Indeed. One of the fundamental rules of bangernomics: if you buy a car for 240GBP, and write it off 238 days later, then your depreciation will be more than 1.00GBP/day. I suppose you'll want the gory details, so here goes: A505 from Baldock towards Royston. At the end, a roundabout that leads onto the Royston bypass. Turn left at the roundabout, into an immediate right then left out onto a fast downhill stretch. Somehow, I found myself heading for the exit from the roundabout, but I was 15 feet to the right of where I needed to be. Instead of facing the bypass, I was facing a traffic island that divides the two carriageways. Specifically, I was facing a road sign, behind which was a lamppost. So... BANG goes my car into the sign, wrecking the bumper, then BANG into the lamppost with the right front wheel, breaking the steering and/or suspension. No harm to me, no other vehicles involved, but my 19-year not- damaging-a-car record bites the dust. -- <8P Wizard Suzuki GS550 "I like that. Nicely shite" - TOG BMW 520i (RIP- Ebay item 4601147727) Toyota Nondescript 1.3 Mobility Appliance (on loan) ANORAK#17b BOMB#19 BOTAFOT#138 BREast#5 COFF#24 COSOC#8 DFV#11 STG#1 Remove location from email address to reply