Haydens RCV

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by dpeninton, Sep 20, 2003.

  1. dpeninton

    dpeninton Guest

    Is Hayden's bike the same spec as Rossi's ?
     
    dpeninton, Sep 20, 2003
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  2. Yes.
     
    Jiann-Ming Su, Sep 21, 2003
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  3. dpeninton

    * PHIL *` Guest

    Nope, Rossi, Gibernau and Biaggi are riding latest spec machines ( Max
    finally got Ukawa's bike this weekend )
    Hayden, Ukawa, Kiyonari and Tamada are 1 or two steps behind, but I
    don't think the difference is very big.
     
    * PHIL *`, Sep 22, 2003
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    Richard Guest

    That's Rossi, Hayden, Gibernau & Ukawa on first tier HRC equipment right?
    Based on how the season started and Gibernau being promoted after Kato's
    death I'm pretty sure.
     
    Richard, Sep 22, 2003
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  5. dpeninton

    * PHIL *` Guest

    At the start of the season it was, but last weekend, Hayden and Ukawa's
    bikes were definitely at least one step behind Rossi, Gibernau and
    Biaggi's ( these three were the only ones with the new exhaust )

    Grtz, Phil.
     
    * PHIL *`, Sep 23, 2003
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    Cetec Guest

    just a Honda play, they are making a "what can you do?" game with the
    riders, past saturday, it was Tamada´s turn, next race, it can be Hayden or
    Okada´s turn.
    Honda is looking for Rossi replacement, everything is on factory engineers
    laptop computers.
    For sure, in Portugal GP, Gressini team (Sete's team) were crazy looking for
    more speed in their bikes and, lets say, "not close to happyness" with Honda
    factory engineers and their "help". Just a fact, Sete´s RCV in Portugal was
    slower than factoy Kawas, why???
    How can Honda HRC sell a ultra millionary sponsorship contract to Repsol if
    another Honda ride beats Rossi???? hehehe.....hard question, isn´t it?
     
    Cetec, Sep 23, 2003
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    Julian Bond Guest

    It must be enough to make you start thinking about buying Ducatis
    instead.
     
    Julian Bond, Sep 23, 2003
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    Rompecosas Guest

    You`ve got it, Honda don´t race, only do politics, next time you need a bike
    buy an italian
     
    Rompecosas, Sep 28, 2003
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  9. dpeninton

    michael Guest

    So you've finally succumbed to the fact that sponsors do influence what goes
    around hey?
    seriously though... corser's '96 bike was a full Ducati works bike. Mike
    Hale's bike was a customer bike though. That year, I think Ducati ran 4
    factory bikes. 2 for the main team, one for Corser and the other for Chilli
    (thought they will deny this even when it's quite clear that Chilli's bike
    was the fatest out of the lot. especially in Italy).
    Honda can play the politic games, but unlike the Italians, they'ld tell you
    up front about it rather than leaving you with uncertainty (Corser and
    Fogarty complained about the speed of Chilli's bike at one stage).
     
    michael, Sep 30, 2003
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  10. dpeninton

    Julian Bond Guest

    At least in WSB there's another factor here. The only people running
    (top spec) Michelins were the factory Ducati and Honda teams. At almost
    all circuits over the last few years Dunlop have been 5-10 race secs
    slower even when their qualifiers were just as good as Michelins. You
    can of course argue that Hodgeson was not riding as fast in the races as
    Edwards/Bayliss, and that the GSE 998F01 wasn't as fast as Bayliss'
    998F02. And that the Corse team were better at their job than GSE.

    As for this year's 999s. Ducati are doing the same thing they've done
    every year for the last 10. This year's privateer bike is last year's
    factory bike. Which is as it should be.

    And then, no matter how good the series is, not everyone on the grid can
    win and not everyone can be in a full factory team. There has to be
    another 10-20 bikes ridden by people hoping to prove they deserve a
    factory ride and hoping to upset the factory riders. And their teams
    hope that they get enough coverage while doing it to attract enough
    sponsorship to be able to get to the next race and do it all again. In
    WSB and BSB, a private Ducati has been a pretty good option for these
    people. I can imagine it will be the same in MotoGP.

    In fact let's play what if. Let's say that Hodgeson+Xaus go to D'Antin
    in MotoGP on customer Ducatis and on Michelins. If Bayliss gets
    occasional front row starts and finishes 1-5 (which is where I'd see him
    next year), where do you think Hodgeson-Xaus would finish? My guess is
    3-10. I think both of them would get on the podium at least once but
    most races they'd be in the lower half of the top 10.
     
    Julian Bond, Sep 30, 2003
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  11. Then my respect for Tamada goes up another notch.
     
    Frank Forskin, Sep 30, 2003
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