I've heard today that Brunstroms latest weapons in his victimisation of motorcyclists are .... camper vans housing the speed cameras. Well at least the boys will be able to make a nice cup of tea while they're on camera duty Apparently they're being "launched" over the Easter weekend. -- Steve Parry BMW R80RS, 03 BMW R1100S Boxercup, 07 K1200GT SE 95 BMW F650, 87 Yamaha FS1, Sukida SK90PY, 91 Kawasaki AR50, BMW 330Ci www.gwynfryn.co.uk
Saw that about a year ago. What a ****. -- Nige, Honda VTR1000 SOLD! BMW K1200S Range Rover Vogue Aprilia RSV Mille
Do you know, I really would like to do that slow moving roadblock thing someone mentioned before. A few hundred bikers, travelling along at a heady 10mph, would at least make the point.
Just get some harley riders along, you wont have a choice. Or the two old cunts we saw today -- Nige, Honda VTR1000 SOLD! BMW K1200S Range Rover Vogue Aprilia RSV Mille
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Simon Wilson It's really rather simple. Stay the **** out of Wales. It may help to write to the Welsh Tourist Board to explain why you (and your money) are remaining in England. But I rather doubt it. Whether I ever visit Wales again will depend on whether Richard Brunstrom is buried there, and (if so) whether I am still fit enough to piss on his grave.
I can't: there's points in them thar hills. And valleys. 16 landmarks: 350 points. I'll take the Wing - that should be safe. Mind, the other two are not much quicker.
Unfortunately, that means he won. In the 60's I used to love riding in Wales, but I'd not been for years and now, like you, I won't be going again. Worth a punt though. Give me a call when you go and I'll happily stand alongside you and act as a prop so we can both piss on the fuckers grave. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
It's not just Wales though is it? A former colleague of mine has just been banged up (12 months I think) after an accident where the other party died. I don't know the details, I do know he certainly considered it an accident but was 'encouraged' to plead guilty. HTF does locking someone up help?
I've just filled a job application and it really stuck in my craw having to reply yes to the "have you been convicted of a criminal offence (this includes motoring offences)" I hate being a crim <sobs> -- Steve Parry BMW R80RS, 03 BMW R1100S Boxercup, 07 K1200GT SE 95 BMW F650, 87 Yamaha FS1, Sukida SK90PY, 91 Kawasaki AR50, BMW 330Ci www.gwynfryn.co.uk
There are only one or two motoring offences that are recordable, so... ....unless you've been convicted of one of them (and you'd know if you had) the answer should still be No.
Mine was careless driving but I thought I'd best be on the safe side -- Steve Parry BMW R80RS, 03 BMW R1100S Boxercup, 07 K1200GT SE 95 BMW F650, 87 Yamaha FS1, Sukida SK90PY, 91 Kawasaki AR50, BMW 330Ci www.gwynfryn.co.uk
I think you would be entitled, as Ace suggests, to interpret "criminal" as "recordable". In which case, as far as I can tell, it would have to be either an offence for which you could have been gaoled or be on this list http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2000/20001139.htm
All accidents are avoidable (if we're being properly pedantic about it) and if some **** killed my wife or sprog, I wouln't give a **** how it helped (or not) if the driver was banged up, I'd just be happy that he was. And if he's locked up, he won't be ploughing into anyone else for the duration either. He shouldn't have listened to anyone saying he should plead guilty though. That *is* a ****'s trick. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
Tosh. From the unexplained new tyre blow out, to getting totalled by a truck whose driver's just had a seizure with no previous history of it, to having your house collapse on you during an earthquake. There are plenty of unavoidable accidents. If he was culpable, then yes, otherwise, not. Fucking daily mail reader.
Faulty manufacturing and quality control (improve) or nail in tyre (don't run over) Don't get close to trucks. Stay home. In bed. Move to a less earthquakey area. No there aren't. If an accident happnes, someone will find out what caused it and remove the cause. It WILL get fucking stupid, but all accidents can be stopped. You simply have to have on for the investigators to investigate and find a "cure" for. Poeple aren't generally thrown in nick for being innocent. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
Because you can spot and avoid tiny sharp objects in the road, can you? Wow, I'm impressed. Not exactly a great life strategy, is it? Really? Pehaps you'd like to tell that to the inhabitants of l'Aquila? I'm sure they'd be most grateful for your sage, if somewhat late, advice. And you can dissapear up your own arsehole playing the blame and prevention game. At some point a line has to be drawn which defines what is reasonable or otherwise to have take into account as the 'cause' of an accident. And also what level of precaution it is reasonable to take to avoid a repeat in the future. Everyone fucks up occasionally, not always maliciously or carelessly or even, perceptably. Just because some investigator or jury can point to a singular cause of an accident, it doesn't necessarily follow that the person responsible for the course of action which precipitated the accident should be punished. I wasn't discussing the individual case. But yes you are right, it is up to the courts to ascribe the blame and act accordingly. Rather than people like you, running around with your big broad brush attempting to pin the indefinite down with a spot of good old nice safe unthinking certainty.
Alex Ferrier wrote: Ding. I think you've hit the point right there. My problem is that the line has just moved way too far in the precautionary direction. Ding again. Also, IMHO, the punishment has precisely 0 chance of preventing the 'incident' from happening again. Unless it completely discourages the driver from ever getting behind the wheel.
