As well you should be, but if you can't you can always fill your tyre with Slime or other tyre sealing shite and it won't blow out. I wasn't aware a life strategy was under discussion. It's only late after the event. I'm quite sure they knew they lived in an earthquakey area before they had one hit. Who's playing the blame and prevention game? You said accidents can't all be avoided, I say they can. Ahh, so now it's down to degrees which fucksd up your "accidents can't all be avoided" argument. Degrees again. Did I say that they don't? No. So there's no real point to having any accident investigated in the hope that another similar one could be avoided. What exactly were the circumstances of the accident the spoke about in this thread? 14 years investigating accidents in the industrial sector gives me a slight advantage when it comes to finding the cause of an accident and making another similar one avoidable without making working practices unmanageable. And you may ponder why Plod no longer attend Road Traffic Accidents. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
You can play this game endlessly, and it will just carry on forever. Proving that it is impossible to plan for every outcome. Neither was I, but you are the one suggesting vapid ideas for the prevention of the unforseeable. You do agree that not leaving your home and fulfilling your everday commitments to prevent a vanishingly small risk is a daft idea, More pointless manouvering. And you are still, dead wrong. Indeed it is. Nature is chaotic, get used to it. Yes, by implication. By suggesting that all accidents are avoidable you are suggesting that a mistake by someone was made which began the chain of causatory events. Therefore, find the mistake, find the avoidable cause, pin the blame. Not what I said. Not even close. Heh, 14 years of target fixation, seems to have skewed your values somewhat.
Go back to my original post in this thread and I believe you'll see that I said something along the lines of "If we're being pedantic about it, all accidents are avoidable". Now you're whinging because I am? Of course it fucking is and I didn't say otherwise. I was being sarcastic and pedantic. Well if manoeuvring is your thing, maybe you can explain how an earthquake is an accident? I always thought it was a natural disaster and I never mentioned that they could be avoided. But hey, if you want to move the goalposts, feel free. So give me a little real proof of that then. I don't need to do I. I'm not about to whinge about nature taking its course (an opening for you) and I'm not the one whinging about some **** being sent down for killing someone and then complaining about it. Actually, no and not by definition either. I said that a **** up can be trsced back to its source and if action is taken, another **** up in the same circumstances wouldn't happen. I wonder what the **** up chummy boy in jail did? Maybe he ran a red light, failed to register a bike coming towards him and pulled out, farted about with the phone instead of watching and thinking about what he ewas doing? What?. Obviously sometihng that NO-ONE could have done in the past or is ever likely to do again in the future. Not pin the blame, find the cause, but let's be realistic here, sometimes someone *is* to blame. Seems more than pretty close to me. Dead on, in fact. Aye Ok. Is that a BMW you ride? -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
In your original post, you said: "All accidents are avoidable (if we're being properly pedantic about it)" If we are being 'properly pedantic', that statement is patently untrue. Dictionary definition of Accident: 1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty. An accident, is just that. That is why the police, as you say, no longer attend accidents, but incidents. This in no way implies though that an incident was not as the result of an accident. That is what the police, the investigators and the courts are there to do. To make that determination. Whether you like it or not, by their very nature, not all accidents are preventable. Unless you have infinite knowledge of the problem domain and infinite time in which to devise the appropriate prevention strategies. I had no idea that omnipotence was a requirement for an accident investigator, I suspect it is not. In reality, in accordance with professional guidelines of which I have no doubt you have a vastly greater knowledge of than I. I would hazard a guess that you must actually have to scope the problem domain to within acceptable limits of risk. QED: The fact that there is still unpreventable risk outside those limits means in practice, that not all accidents are preventable. If you were to say to me, 'the vast majority of accidents are preventable', I would have no issue. But since we are being pedantic here and you stated that *all* accidents are preventable. I feel quite entitled to raise the bullshit flag. The earthquake was an undesirable, unfortunate happening that occured unintentionally and resulted in harm, injury, damage, and loss; casualty. Sounds like an accident to me. Sure, most of the resultant harm, damage and loss may have been preventable examined in hindsight, but realistically, practically, not all. The trouble with hindsight is that it only teaches us about the specific event, after the fact. You need a crystal ball to predict any and all future 'unfortunate incidents'. Well, that or omnipotence. Up there ^^ Nope, still putting words in my mouth. I'm not whingeing about anyone being sent down. I don't know the facts, why would I whinge. So, sometimes no-one is to blame. Sure, find the cause. That's different from claiming that every cause is preventable. Since in the human scope, that means someone was negligent and that therefore, someone is always to blame. Suggest reading comprehension classes.
And where does it say that they're unavoidable? Undesirable, unfortunate and unintentional, bt nothng about unavoidable. Because THEY know accidents are preventable. Ok, give me an example of an accident (not a natural disaster please) that you consider to be unavoidable. So even *you* know that they're avoidable. I'm done -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
Lordy, it took you two days to come up with that? It's a bit thin isn't it? Heh, be careful out there. Oh Sorry, I forgot, you don't need to...
