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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Hog
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Herewith, a perfect example.

I read the newsgroups, read that, and followed it religiously
immediately post-diagnosis.

It had my doctor really concerned, as I went into ketosis.

A chat about what I was eating cleared that bit of nonsense up, I now
eat a balanced diet, and my HbA1Cs are now fine.

There is *no* general rule, and anyone who tells you there is, is
talking utter bollocks.

You *have* to learn what your body needs, and anyone who tells you
there's a sure-fire way to success / failure is a quack who should not
be listened to.

End of.

 

Isn't that what I've been saying, that it's a very individual thing.
Note I said reduce carb loading, not go into an Atkins type regime, which is
unsustainable on any level.

So what sort of level do you manage to keep your BG to now.

Predictably I signed up with a senior consultant, who is a member of the
Diabetes UK advisory panel. He is candid enough to admit what an early stage
the profession is at in terms of long term research and every treatment
plan/regime is indeed very individual.

Everyone gets that basic advice though. Lowering the calorie intake, carb
loading, daily exercise and losing fat round the waist.

 

Hog posted:

Have always done so. My case was rather extreme, in that my sugar
intake probably bankrolled Tate & Lyle's pension scheme and bonuses -
cutting that out has proven sufficient up to now. Actually I am a
little more careful than that, and I manage a small amount of exercise
which makes a significant difference.

 

Wicked Uncle Nigel posted:

This man speaks the truth. Your metabolism may vary.

 

And therein lies the biggest problem.

The "treatment" for diabetes has historically centred around carbohydrate
consumption (fucikng lots of it) and *still* we're "advised" that 50% of
what we eat should be carbs and that's a minimum. Some "medico's" are still
banging the "65% is best" drum and it's a fucked bit of advise if ever there
was.

My cousin followed the party line when it came to diet and he lasted 5 years
before he went blind and a total of 7 years before he slid off the plate.
I've been lobbing in my insulin for around 24 years now and still have all
my fingers and toes (complete with feeling) both eyes (retinopathy free),
both kidney's and a working dick and according to the bloke at the clinic,
it's because I've kept a fucking tight grip on my sugar levels. (An average
HbA1c of 5,7% for 22 years). Aic is NOT the same as a finger prick blood
test btw.

I've never been unconscious through hyop-ing and I've never been
hospitalised through hypergycemia either, in fact I've never even been to
the doctor for any diabetes related problem because I've never had any. In
1988, I read an article in a booklet provided by guy who worked for
NovoNordisk who make insulin and insulin pens and it made me realise that
what I needed to do was really quite simple. Keep my blood sugar as close to
normal as possible. Now that may sound fucking obvious, but not according to
those who wield the power at diabetic clinics, doctors surgeries or
hospitals. They all want us to run higher than normal sugars simply because
if we run normal levels, were more likely to go hypo and be in need of their
services.

In other words, they want us to do what's best for THEM, not what's best for
us, but again,, these people don't treat us when we develop complications
like fucked kidney's or fucked eyes, or get ourselves a dollop of gangrene
so they don't give a ****. Unless it affects them, so "Run higher sugars,
you know it makes sense". Like **** it does, so I've always gone my own way
and learned as I went along.

After a 4th or 5th clinic visit (I still go every year because I like to get
my eyes photographed at least twice a year and you need a clinic referral
for that) I was asked to do a presentation at (what was, but now long since
demolished) Blair's teaching hospital on blood sugar control using the MDI
(Multiple Daily Injection) system.

I did the presentation at Blair's and I followed it up with three more and
everyone brought encouraging comments from some of those involved in early
treatment of newly dx'd diabollocks.

At that time I was dx'd, MDI was seriously frowned upon because - among
other things - using it required(s) a fair number of finger prick tests and
the consultant I was under when I was dx'd actually said to me "I won't let
you use MDI because you could get an infection in your finger" (Really, he
actually fucking said that) I told him to get the **** out of my ward and
sign me out of dock if that was his attitude and that's when I determined to
go my own way.

I walked out of the hospital, went straight to my own doc and told him I'd
forgotten my prescription and told him what I needed. He wrote me a scrip
there and then and I've used the MDI system ever since, although I have my
scrip changed regularly to take advantage of the newer (faster and shorter
acting) insulins. I don't discuss any changes with my GP, I just ask him for
a scrip for )whatever) and he provides it as he's aware that I'm not going
to **** myself up.

 

Known as "Fiery Rilp"

It's called Thrush when you're a bint. Some people even have a circumcision
for the problem of knob-rot

 

That's an old idea, but it proves again that those in the medical profession
aren't always as clued up as we'd like them to be.

If they think only sprogs get T1, I'd be doing some serious reading about
diabetes and some serious closing of ears when they talk. They're obviously
stuck in the last millennium.

 

Whereas with me, it sends my sugar up.

 

None of this adds up.

 

Every fucker has horror stories tucked away ready to pull out at the first
opportunity. They make far more interesting reading that those that begin
with...

I've had diabetes for years and it's done **** all bad to me at all, in
fact, quite the opposite. It made me do things that have kept me more
healthy than lots of people my age.

 

The impression I'd got was adult onset T1 was due to various causes of
pancreas damage - heavy drinking being the most common.

 

If it was a viable treatment then some competent pharma company would be
selling something appropriate

 

AOfuckingL
That was one of the points I was trying to make to the OP.

WUN mentioned a "balanced" diet. You can't claim anything but a tight
control of intake either. One's fasting BG may be in good shape but after a
"normal meal" does it shoot up over the non mong norm (10 max) for a period?
Well the advice I have is every trip into the high teens and 20's is doing
you damage. Slow and insidious.

Of course some of us might be well enough controlled and old enough that we
will die with it and not of it, regardless.

 

Whole of the world as it happens.

But then again, I didn't say every fucker has a horror story purely about
diabetes, did I?

I'm sure you've got your own horror stories about something too.

Ha! I never get a cold, never get flu and I don't have a flu shot either. I
don't get a runny nose either, or smelly feet.

 

It depends on the mong, but for T1's it'll even leap up in the morning
without food and it hppanes with more than a few T2's too.

Commonly known as the "Dawn Phenomenon" and as it's something you can't
feel, it's often either not known about, or ignored. Tight control can only
really be achieved with the aid of a BG meter and the sense to use it even
when you think you've got it all sown up and you're "sorted".

Any trip above 8 actually. Double figures aren't a good thing in any way.

And some will die with it and never know they had it, but generally
speaking, if it's not controlled, it'll let you know about its presence
*long* before you slip off the plate.

 

There are more than a few "treatments" like that that fucking piss me off
because they're hailed as "The Answer", but in reality, the only real answer
is insulin if you're a T1, and medication that addresses insulin resistance
+ medication to aid insulin production if it's low for a T2.[1] Cinnamon
doesn't come into either, but it's a little like religion, it's something to
believe in.


[1] Although usually insulin production for a T2 is abnormally high, leading
to insulinemia, which causes a few problems in its own right and one of the
reasons a T12 shouldn't load up indiscriminately with exogenous insuin.

 

I suppose it's a possibility, but so are a lot of other things. Cortizone
being a classic example and Cortizone is something that is being used for a
slew of problems with limb mobility (frozen shoulder or "glass back"
anyone). However, I don't find it particularly useful to read about the
possible causes, because it makes no difference once you've become diabetic
as there isn't anything that can reverse it and if you *haven't* become
diabetic, you're not going to gaf anyway.

We all know that smoking can cause cancer, but some of us still do it and if
drinking became the number one suspected cause of diabetes, people will
still drink - and rightly so, because as adults, we're old enough to make
our own choices.

 

I wonder how the many sad MF puffing their last few days away at the front
door here thought very much about where it was going to end. And I only see
the ones with enough energy left to push the IV trolley 100 metres.

 

Most mornings I get up feeling like I've had a few the night before (not had
so much as a sniffter since Xmas) a large dose of black coffee sorts it out
though.

 

I wake up feeling pretty good usually, but a cuppa improves things even
more. Coffee makes me produce shit loads of pain though.