hi fellas ... question about metal casting of aluminum motorcycleengine heads

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Billy Shivers, May 16, 2009.

  1. I'm looking for a few web sites or blogs that tell individual accounts
    of casting spare parts and engines.

    I've looked, but maybe you know a good web page that isn't high in the
    search rankings, or more obscure, etc.

    Thanks jolly old lads.

    ps. are the cooling fins different sizes at different latitudes?
     
    Billy Shivers, May 16, 2009
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  2. Billy Shivers

    A.Lee Guest

    I worked in foundries for many years.
    It is next to impossible to make your own aluminium cast parts. Zinc
    alloy or lead are possible, but aluminium has to be a lot hotter,
    typically 750 deg. C +, as well as being scrupulously clean. Al oxides
    easily when it is molten, so needs flux on its surface when molten,
    de-gassing before pouring, and oxide filters in the mould.
    Before you start, you need to get the right alloy. There are around 20
    'common' alloys. LM25 is probably the best for engines cases. Use
    anything else, and the strength and/or machining abilities will be poor.

    Then you need your pattern to make the part. Al shrinks around 4% in the
    mould. So an old part cannot be used to make a new one from. You need to
    make a copy that is 4% bigger.
    All in all, you can see why it is uneconomical to make new engine cases
    etc.
    No idea for 'modern' bikes, but old BSA cooling fins were all the same,
    top to bottom.
    Alan.
     
    A.Lee, May 16, 2009
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  3. Fark yes. You should see the size of the fins on the Tropical Series
    Yamaha made in the 70s. The extra metal nearly bankrupted them and plans
    for a Sub-Saharan model were shelved as a result.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 16, 2009
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  4. Billy Shivers

    platypus Guest

    Look here:

    http://www.realclassic.co.uk/techniques.html

    Anything with "Humbernut" on it.
     
    platypus, May 16, 2009
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  5. Billy Shivers

    bod43 Guest

    http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/browse_frm/thread/d2e10e13c2bda5e0/
    "How To Make a Smelter
    It's easy. YOU CAN DO IT."

    Any activity in this field will be really hazardous. Lots
    to go wrong and burn bits of your body off.

    "if you drop it onto the ground any moisture that is present
    will flash to steam instantly and explode the molten metal
    into a hand grenade."
     
    bod43, May 16, 2009
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  6. The Older Gentleman, May 16, 2009
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  7. Billy Shivers

    A.Lee Guest

    Rubbish. It will just splash like dropped milk.
    The only time it will shoot out anywhere is where there is a sudden
    expansion of gas, and the molten metal is stopping the gas exiting.
    Quite common if a mould has not been vented, or the metal is poured in
    too fast, but generally not particularly harmful if you have the
    relevant safety gear on.
    Alan.
     
    A.Lee, May 16, 2009
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  8. What a load of fucking cock.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 16, 2009
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  9. Billy Shivers

    A.Lee Guest

    Come on then, explain how you can make decent castings in your garage.
    No, it is not impossible, but to do a good job will be very difficult.
    You cannot do it without considerable expense.
    Alan.
     
    A.Lee, May 16, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    It's a load of cock if you want porous castings that are about as
    strong as a week old kitten but if you want decent quality castings
    he's right in everything he said.
     
    Andy Bonwick, May 16, 2009
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  11. Didn't John Britten make his own castings, using wooden moulds, after he
    discovered just how much the job would cost if a "professional" did it?
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 16, 2009
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  12. Billy Shivers

    Pip Luscher Guest

    I wouldn't try to cast something as massive or complex as a full-size
    cylinder head, or anything highly stressed for that matter, but I
    don't think it's a case of 'considerable expense'. It certainly isn't
    something you can do casually, though.

    My own DIY attempts about fifteen years ago didn't go well, but in
    retrospect I was over-ambitious.

    Getting the heat isn't a problem: a furnace of firebricks, coke, and
    an electric blower made out of a car radiator fan will (just) melt
    steel - I tried it once. It didn't do the crucible any favours though.

    You can, or at least used to be able to, buy all the stuff including
    fluxes & degasser from model engineering foundry suppliers. Proper
    crucibles weren't *that* expensive.

    Unfortunately, over the years, the labels have all rubbed off the
    various bags I've got, so I can't tell what's what, though I *think*
    the big white tablet things are aluminium degasser. maybe.

    Building another furnace is on the 'ToDo' list.
     
    Pip Luscher, May 16, 2009
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  13. Utter fucking bilge. Plenty of people have made and are still doing good
    quality backyard ally casting without needing massive amounts of
    machinery and expensive workshops.

    Jesus fucking christ, no wonder the country is going down the toilet
    with the amount of nay-saying cunts around. What the **** happened to
    the ones who just gave it a go?
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 16, 2009
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  14. Billy Shivers

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    On Sat, 16 May 2009 18:08:28 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon

    snip>
    Stick to bodging things up in your back garden and leave proper
    engineering to the experts.
     
    Andy Bonwick, May 16, 2009
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  15. Yah, like you'd know what one of them was like, you arsehole.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 16, 2009
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  16. Billy Shivers

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Tell us again exactly what it is you do for a living?
     
    Andy Bonwick, May 16, 2009
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    Catman Guest

    *nice*

    --
    Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
    Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
    116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 145 2.0 Cloverleaf 156 V6 2.5 S2
    Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see.
    www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
     
    Catman, May 16, 2009
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    geoff Guest

    Angle grinders at dawn
     
    geoff, May 16, 2009
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  19. I wouldn't disagree. If you want to make a list of genuine motorcycle
    geniuses (not including riders), he'd be on mine.

    Along with, er, Fabio Taglioni, Pops Yoshimura, Phil Vincent (or maybe
    Phil Irving), Soichiro Honda, Carcano, and possibly Edward Turner.

    Anyone like to diasgree or put up their own nominees?
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 17, 2009
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  20. Billy Shivers

    platypus Guest

    Willie G?
     
    platypus, May 17, 2009
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