Hitting close to home.

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by Alan Moore, Oct 23, 2003.

  1. Alan Moore

    Alan Moore Guest

    I had to run a couple of errands this morning, and took the cage for
    that reason. Traffic reports on the radio were dominated by a fatal
    accident blocking highway 1 in Monterey county. Apparently a
    motorcycle, car and big rig had gotten tangled up together rather
    messily.

    This evening, I learned that the motorcyclist was my sometimes
    next-door neighbor, Dave, as conservative a driver/rider as one would
    want to meet, and a general all-around good guy.

    No other details on the accident. For the morbid, here's the CHP log:
    http://cad.chp.ca.gov/ii.asp?Center=MTCC&LogNumber=0150D1022

    _resquiet in pace_

    Al Moore
    DoD 734
     
    Alan Moore, Oct 23, 2003
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  2. ouch. my condolences, and all.
    sadly, those links expire rather quickly.

    Incident: Type: Location: Map Page: Info as of: 10/22/2003
    8:24:33 PM

    No information available at this time.
     
    John R Pierce, Oct 23, 2003
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    Dan Carter Guest

    That's a miserable stretch of road. While Highway 1 is freeway to the
    north and to the south, that 10-mile stretch is one lane in each
    direction through a generally rural area with a few cross roads serving
    nearby farms, homes, and businesses. However, it has become a congested
    commute route between Monterey and Santa Cruz Counties, often moving at
    a crawl, bumper-to-bumper, in drive time. Maybe tomorrow's papers will
    report the exact circumstance, but it's easy to imagine a motorcyclist
    getting sandwiched in a collision between the vehicle behind him and the
    one in front. Were there an extra lane, a lanesplitting rider could
    have avoided that kind of horror.
     
    Dan Carter, Oct 23, 2003
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    Polarhound Guest

    They took is offline. Now it just says:

    Incident: Type: Location: Map Page: Info as of: 10/22/2003
    10:01:59 PM

    No information available at this time.
     
    Polarhound, Oct 23, 2003
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  5. wife was watching KSBW news in other room, I overheard the report...
    something about impatient car pulling out to pass, then having to slam on
    brakes and pull back into lane, causing oncoming truck to swerve, and nail
    bike. ouch. CHP investigators are probably going to file charges
    against car who attempted unsafe pass.
     
    John R Pierce, Oct 23, 2003
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  6. Alan Moore

    Dan Carter Guest

    Here's an article from the Monterey County Herald:
    http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mcherald/7083277.htm

    The pass attempted in fog brings to mind the case of Nicole Moore, the
    Clayton woman who killed BMW rider Gary Kunich last year on Vasco Road
    near the SF Bay Area city of Livermore. Moore was eventually convicted
    of a felony and sentenced to 30 days in jail, probation, community
    service, and restitution.
     
    Dan Carter, Oct 23, 2003
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    Phil Scott Guest


    These days I'm not as much on the ball as I was in the good old days...back
    then I watched who was following me and if they go too close I turned around
    and glared at them until they faded back. that worked. Or Id motion
    them back with my hand. that also worked.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Oct 23, 2003
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    BNM Guest

    I can't help wondering if the person in the Lexus wasn't partly at
    fault here...there's been many a time that I've passed a vehicle which
    had been going slow only to have them increase their speed
    significantly while I was passing them (what is it about bay area
    drivers who seem to lack all curtesy and resent letting someone into a
    lane or from passing them??).

    It's very likely that the woman doing the passing was very strongly at
    fault here but what started as a bad decision could have very easily
    been escelated by an @sshole driver being passed who at the very least
    could have recognized the situation and hit the brakes to prevent the
    situation from becoming what it did.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I've experienced too many
    discourtious (to the point of being dangerous) drivers in the bay area
    to not consider it as a factor.

    Just my $0.02
    Brett
    01 Yamaha R1
    99 Honda F4
    89 Katana 750
     
    BNM, Oct 23, 2003
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    cstatman Guest

    Wow.

    absolute condolences to the family, but did ya'll READ the article?
    the author actually treated the rider like a person, not just biker
    scum.

    it is the first time in a LONG time I have read an article that was more
    than just "and the biker scum died"

    some send emails to the author thanking her for making Ken a human, not
    just a statistic.

    --
    Assuring you of my best intentions at all times,

    Charles Statman
    Rocket Scientist/Wonderboy/Women's Legs Shaven

    DoD the Un-Numbered One
     
    cstatman, Oct 23, 2003
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  10. Alan Moore

    Charles Soto Guest

    Done.

    Charles
     
    Charles Soto, Oct 23, 2003
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    Keith Winter Guest

    Likewise.

    -Keith
     
    Keith Winter, Oct 23, 2003
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    NZMSC Guest

    Before I start, let me say that I don't know the full story behind either
    crash, but, as we say in our on-line crash survival course, you can learn a
    great deal from media stories about motorcycle crashes.

    With these, I find myself wondering whether the rider missed seeing the
    situation unfolding and got caught out.

    A London courier rider, where riding is always ïnteresting to say the least,
    says that he saw so many crashes happen that he learnt to be able to see the
    crash coming well before impact occured.

    He reckoned that there were usually at least five visible cumulative steps
    before impact.

    If we can learn to see the crash situation unfolding early, NO ONE will be
    able to get us if we remain alert.
     
    NZMSC, Oct 24, 2003
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    Dan Carter Guest

    This article from another local paper adds the detail that the driver
    who killed rider David Berridge did so while making a double-yellow
    pass, which would seem to make a felony charge inevitable:
    http://www.zwire.com/news/newsstory...97&PAG=461&CATNAME=Top Stories&CATEGORYID=410
     
    Dan Carter, Oct 24, 2003
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    Rich Guest

    Strikes me as optimistic. We can reduce the incidence of crashes by
    more alert and intelligent driving, but zero strikes me as a goal
    beyond reach.


    Rich, Urban Biker
     
    Rich, Oct 24, 2003
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  15. Alan Moore

    Alan Moore Guest

    Thanks for that link -- I hadn't actually understood how the accident
    developed from the story in the Monterey County Herald.

    That's the last stretch of CA Highway one left in it's 1940s condition
    between Santa Cruz and Monterey. When I was a kid in the '50s, the
    whole stretch had a terrible reputation for frequent fatalities, being
    mostly a 3-lane highway: One lane north, one south, and a "meatginder"
    lane between. Faster cars, bigger trucks and more traffic forced the
    elimination of the "meatgrinder" some time around 1960, and the
    conversion of most of it to freeway beginning shortly after that.
    State budget restrictions in the wake of prop 13 basically put an end
    to the improvements, but not to increases in traffic.

    Al Moore
    DoD 734
     
    Alan Moore, Oct 24, 2003
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    Alan Moore Guest

    When I drove deliveries, I was popular with the CHP because I could
    tell them clearly what had led up to the accidents I witnessed. After
    a couple of months on the freeway, I was always watching things
    unforld seconds before any actual impact. I figured an average of five
    errors distributed among two or more drivers in every collision I
    witnessed, which was about two per week. The accident reports in
    those cases were so clear that not a single one ever resulted in a
    court case, all parties realizing that their odds of having blame
    reapportioned were too poor to justify the expense.
    One thing they didn't mention in the second article I saw:

    http://www.zwire.com/news/newsstory...97&PAG=461&CATNAME=Top Stories&CATEGORYID=410

    It was foggy at the time of the accident. It's pretty clear from that
    description that the only avoidance strategy that might have saved
    Dave was to get well off to the right hand shoulder (away from the
    oncoming traffic, I remind you since you're in NZ), possibly leaving
    the pavement. No amount of braking could have helped, as he was in
    between two vehicles which ultamately collided with each other: the
    Honda ahead of him and the truck behind him. Seeing the Honda pull
    back into it's own lane, I suppose he felt it safer to continue than
    to try and maneuver, which decision sealed his fate, even assuming he
    could have maneuvered as I suggest.

    The photo of the scene:
    http://www.zwire.com/local/Z/ZWIRE1197/zwire/images/crash772.jpg

    Indicates soft shoulders, with fields of what's probably lettuce to
    either side. Leaving the pavement would have been risky, but give a
    better chance of survival than what actually happened.

    Al Moore
    DoD 734
     
    Alan Moore, Oct 24, 2003
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  17. Alan Moore

    Alan Moore Guest

    Yep. Or even a little further north than that, since it's veggies
    growing on both sides, not just sand dunes.
    Might have been me, except that I wasn't exactly old yet in '66... I
    did drive a Citroen, however. I liked that car. Roomy, comfortable,
    economical.
    So sometimes they do see us in time. Whoda thunk it?

    Al Moore
    DoD 734
     
    Alan Moore, Oct 25, 2003
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    Phil Scott Guest


    What are those 5 steps?
     
    Phil Scott, Oct 25, 2003
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    Phil Scott Guest

    To us dirt type riders hitting the shoulder at 40 or 50 mph is almost a non
    event.. some of us used to go off onto smooth dirt off camber shoulders at
    70 mph sometimes just to practice power slides.

    If a rider does down at 40 or 50 in the dirt on an HD type bike the chances
    of injury are slight unless he hits a culvert, pole or barbed wire fence
    :)

    This guy had only half a second between the time the Honda clipped the lexux
    and veered into his lane, not enough time to react even if he saw it
    coming...for him most likely an unavoidable accident.

    If it was me in that scenario I might have been riding close to the center
    line so I could see ahead, and when the I saw the Honda out to pass I would
    have gone clear the right looking to hit the shoulder or the lettice field.

    He apparently just held his position in the lane.


    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Oct 25, 2003
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  20. its freeway to well north of Fort Ord, in fact, all the way to
    Castroville. The location of this accident was south of Watsonville, and
    north of Moss Landing. Jensen Rd is the left (if you're northbound) at
    Dominics fruitstand...
     
    John R Pierce, Oct 26, 2003
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