How do I store tires/tyres for a very long time???

Discussion in 'Classic Motorcycles' started by Lucas Jensen, May 19, 2004.

  1. Lucas Jensen

    Lucas Jensen Guest

    I have some new, unused tires which recently went out of production.
    Because they are so damn good I want to store them so that I can use
    them in future.

    The problem with rubber seems to be the fact that the softening agent
    evaporates with time and makes the tire more hard and brittle. So how
    can I prevent that from happening?

    So far I have heard about the following solutions:

    1. Put each tire in a polyethylene plastic bag and weld it so it
    becomes air tight. Personally I know that polyethylene is not 100% air
    tight itself as it lets air diffuse through the material very slowly
    with time. The reason for this solution is to stop the evaporation of
    softening agent so one gets an over saturated atmosphere within the
    bag blocking for further evaporation. I don't know, but introducing a
    vacuum in the bag might accelerate the evaporation and an over
    pressure might maybe decelerate the evaporation. Any explanations?

    2. Put all the tires in a box filled with talcum.

    3. Coat every tire with silicone (using a silicone spray) and let them
    hang from the ceiling fixed at only two points keeping the tire
    completely circular.

    Of course, all rubber should be stored cool, dry and dark (preferably
    in a basement).

    Anyone with hands-on suggestions, experience etc etc??

    regards lucas

    PS: Suggestions using liquid nitrogen does not apply :)
     
    Lucas Jensen, May 19, 2004
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    Guy King Guest

    Since talc is highly absorbant I'd expect this to make things worse not
    better.
     
    Guy King, May 19, 2004
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  3. Lucas Jensen

    Slider Guest


    How far in the future? Your future? Your children's future? I'm sure
    they'd be fine
    for well over a year or so. If you want them to remain tip-top, you could
    always buy a vacuum chamber, or launch the tyres into space.

    Anyway, what are these 'fantastic' tyres that you speak of? Is it not
    possible that by the time you come to use them that there will be better
    tyres available? Time doesn't stand still you know.
     
    Slider, May 19, 2004
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  4. Lucas Jensen

    me Guest

    Nice idea, but what about the possibility of heat damage on re-entry.
    Such damage may go unnoticed and cause a nasty accident at a later date.
     
    me, May 19, 2004
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  5. Lucas Jensen

    dwb Guest

    Surely only if you get a puncture at launch?
     
    dwb, May 19, 2004
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  6. Lucas Jensen

    Grunff Guest


    Vacuum would be really bad - the plasticiser would outgas from the
    rubber in no time.
     
    Grunff, May 19, 2004
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    Fred Guest

    Just lay them flat in a dark place. I wouldn't go through so much trouble
    for a set of tyres.

    Fred
     
    Fred, May 19, 2004
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  8. Lucas Jensen

    Slider Guest

    [snip]
    Not wanting to be made to look foolish, but how do rubber seals work on
    vacuum chambers?
     
    Slider, May 19, 2004
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  9. Lucas Jensen

    Guy King Guest

    The message <rNHqc.15771219$>
    If the plasticisers don't boil out in a vacuum with the sun on 'em I
    can't imagine they ever will.
     
    Guy King, May 19, 2004
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  10. Lucas Jensen

    Guy King Guest

    The message <>
    Just think of 'em as a large sort of O-ring.
     
    Guy King, May 19, 2004
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  11. Lucas Jensen

    Guy King Guest

    The message <VMIqc.15774143$>
    Not rubber.
     
    Guy King, May 19, 2004
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  12. Lucas Jensen

    Grunff Guest

    There are many, many types of rubber. There are rubbers which rely
    heavily on plasticisers, and rubbers which don't at all. Rubber seals
    for vacuum chambers will have very low volatile content, so nothing to
    outgas (or very little).
     
    Grunff, May 19, 2004
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  13. Lucas Jensen

    dreas Guest

    When I was nine years old I wrapped a battery in tinfoil in order to
    preserve it. For some reason it was flat dead when I put it in my
    pocket radio...

    I only buy tires when my old ones are bald...

    -'dreas
     
    dreas, May 19, 2004
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    Andy Clews Guest

    Soak them in resin, allow to harden, wait for about twenty million years,
    then wait for some clever scientist to take a DNA sample and discover a way
    to clone your long extinct tyres and then hey presto! they're back in
    production.

    Or have I been watching too many movies...?
     
    Andy Clews, May 19, 2004
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  15. Some tyres are worth saving. I have a set of unused Dunlop SPs about 15
    years old which I had intended to fit to my E-Type. Because I did not store
    them properly I now would not trust them. They are no longer available so I
    ended up with the only tyres I could buy, Michelins, which while good do not
    suit the characteristics of the car. So in that sense time does stand
    still.

    Geoff MacK
     
    Geoff Mackenzie, May 19, 2004
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    Bill Davies Guest

    There have been mutterings about introducing date codes into all tyres when
    made, with tyres over "x" years old being made illegal. Possibly just
    hearsay, anyone know more?
    Cheers,
    Bill.
     
    Bill Davies, May 19, 2004
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  17. Lucas Jensen

    Yippee Guest

    The codes have already been introduced.

    From http://www.tyres-online.co.uk/techinfo/sidewall.asp :

    | Tyre Age
    |
    | Tyres carry a three digit age code on the sidewall
    | indicating the month and year of manufacture. For
    | example 129 means the tyre was manufactured in
    | December 1999.
     
    Yippee, May 19, 2004
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  18. Lucas Jensen

    Uno Hoo! Guest

    The tyres on caravans require replacing on a 'time' basis rather than a
    'wear' basis - because they become unserviceable due to deterioration long
    before the tread becomes worn down. (Most caravanners only tow their
    caravans for a couple of thousand miles each year). The recommendation from
    the Caravan Club is that caravan tyres should be replaced every five years
    irrespective of tread wear. This is probably erring on the side of safety
    but it suggests that you can safely store your tyres for up to four years
    before using them. As your existing tyres are very unlikely to last that
    long you should be ok.

    Kev
     
    Uno Hoo!, May 19, 2004
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  19. So you can use it until December 2004,
    then from December 2009 to 2014,
    and if there is any tread left,
    from December 2019 to 2024.
     
    Old Fart at Play, May 19, 2004
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  20. Lucas Jensen

    Alex Guest

    An interesting site, however a friend of mine has tyres marked
    225/60R390. Perhaps he has a tractor, or this information is a little
    incomplete?

    Fortunatly, I do know what they are, and why they're marked so, kindly
    refrain from informing me again.

    Alex
     
    Alex, May 19, 2004
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