Hypothetical License Question

G-S · May 28, 2009

Noddy said:

What was the actual offence?
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Err... to be honest I can't remember the exact working.
It was a while back (sorry).

G-S

G-S · May 28, 2009

George said:

Right, a taxi operator / owner licence costs heaps
a taxi drivers licence when I got one from the R.T.A. was called a D.C.
licence. the same as your bus licence Geoff
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Correct, the licence granted to a driver to drive a taxi is not called a
Taxi licence, it is called a Drivers Certificate and a driver of a Taxi
holds a Drivers Licence and a Drivers Certificate not a Taxi Licence.

A Taxi Licence is the licence granted by to commercially operate the
Taxi as a Taxi.

G-S

Sylvia Else · May 28, 2009

D said:

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I cite an incident (long time ago) where a Safety Bureau (pre HWP and
more despised) made a â€œUâ€ turn On Canterbury Road, outside of the
George Hotel, Belmore, when he gunned the 650 Trump too soon and lost
it, pinning himself under his MC in the middle of the busy road. The
noise of the fracas emptied the bar of the pub onto the footpath
where the patrons cheered at the cop, between sips of their middies,
who was desperately trying to extricate himself from under his
toppled machine AND hot exhaust pipe (the smell of fried bacon was
present). He was probably in that position for over five minutes
before the proprietor of the tyre retailing shopfront come out to
free him.
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Can't say I follow you here. My interpretation of your story is that a
bunch of drunken bogans stood and cheered while a bloke (albeit a
policemen) was down, and in a bad situation. If that's the case, what
point are you trying to make? If my interpretation is off the mark,
how should I read your story?
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My interpretation is that at that time NSW traffic police were regarded
as a bunch of pricks which no one would help if they could avoid it.
Traffic police aren't usually held in high regard even by other police
so its no great surprise that no one would help.
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What goes around, comes around.

Sylvia.

G-S · May 28, 2009

Sylvia said:

I should add that if the problem is really that the police officer
doesn't know the law, then you should make representations to the
relevant authority to the effect that the facts as determined by the
officer do not constitute an offence. This should result in the matter
being dropped.
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I wasn't aware one could do that.

If you just get the default "go to court then" reply, then write again
asking for a considered response, pointing out that pursuing
prosecutions, when it should have been apparent to the prosecutor that
there is no case to answer, gives grounds for an action for malicious
prosecution (no actual malice need be demonstrated).
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Nor was I aware one could do that.

I will keep it in mind if it ever happens again (unlikely but possible).

G-S

George W Frost · May 28, 2009

G-S said:

Correct, the licence granted to a driver to drive a taxi is not called a
Taxi licence, it is called a Drivers Certificate and a driver of a Taxi
holds a Drivers Licence and a Drivers Certificate not a Taxi Licence.

A Taxi Licence is the licence granted by to commercially operate the Taxi
as a Taxi.

G-S
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Sorry Geoff, I didn't mean my reply to be against your thoughts, I was
mislaid by the previous posts and clipping and snipping of your replies

veritas · May 28, 2009

D said:

]

I cite an incident (long time ago) where a Safety Bureau (pre HWP and
more despised) made a â€œUâ€ turn On Canterbury Road, outside of the
George Hotel, Belmore, when he gunned the 650 Trump too soon and lost
it, pinning himself under his MC in the middle of the busy road. The
noise of the fracas emptied the bar of the pub onto the footpath
where the patrons cheered at the cop, between sips of their middies,
who was desperately trying to extricate himself from under his
toppled machine AND hot exhaust pipe (the smell of fried bacon was
present). He was probably in that position for over five minutes
before the proprietor of the tyre retailing shopfront come out to
free him.
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Can't say I follow you here. My interpretation of your story is that a
bunch of drunken bogans stood and cheered while a bloke (albeit a
policemen) was down, and in a bad situation. If that's the case, what
point are you trying to make? If my interpretation is off the mark,
how should I read your story?
Click to expand...

My interpretation is that at that time NSW traffic police were regarded
as a bunch of pricks which no one would help if they could avoid it.
Traffic police aren't usually held in high regard even by other police
so its no great surprise that no one would help.
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NSW Police Safety Bureau had such a bad reputaion and and such poor
public relations, they had to change the name to Highway Patrol.

jonz · May 28, 2009

veritas said:

D said:

]

I cite an incident (long time ago) where a Safety Bureau (pre HWP
and more despised) made a ‚ÄúU‚Äù turn On Canterbury Road, outside
of the George Hotel, Belmore, when he gunned the 650 Trump too soon
and lost it, pinning himself under his MC in the middle of the busy
road. The noise of the fracas emptied the bar of the pub onto the
footpath where the patrons cheered at the cop, between sips of their
middies, who was desperately trying to extricate himself from under
his toppled machine AND hot exhaust pipe (the smell of fried bacon
was present). He was probably in that position for over five
minutes before the proprietor of the tyre retailing shopfront come
out to free him.

Can't say I follow you here. My interpretation of your story is that a
bunch of drunken bogans stood and cheered while a bloke (albeit a
policemen) was down, and in a bad situation. If that's the case, what
point are you trying to make? If my interpretation is off the mark,
how should I read your story?
Click to expand...

My interpretation is that at that time NSW traffic police were
regarded as a bunch of pricks which no one would help if they could
avoid it.
Traffic police aren't usually held in high regard even by other police
so its no great surprise that no one would help.
Click to expand...

NSW Police Safety Bureau had such a bad reputaion and and such poor
public relations, they had to change the name to Highway Patrol
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yer full of (not sure what) if any rider, that rode past, or bleated
from the pub door, and did not help the downed cop...is an arsehole. a
rider, is a rider, cock breath ****........
.

Yeebok · May 28, 2009

jonz said:

veritas said:

D said:

wrote:
]

I cite an incident (long time ago) where a Safety Bureau (pre HWP
and more despised) made a ‚ÄúU‚Äù turn On Canterbury Road, outside
of the George Hotel, Belmore, when he gunned the 650 Trump too soon
and lost it, pinning himself under his MC in the middle of the busy
road. The noise of the fracas emptied the bar of the pub onto the
footpath where the patrons cheered at the cop, between sips of
their middies, who was desperately trying to extricate himself from
under his toppled machine AND hot exhaust pipe (the smell of fried
bacon was present). He was probably in that position for over five
minutes before the proprietor of the tyre retailing shopfront come
out to free him.

Can't say I follow you here. My interpretation of your story is that a
bunch of drunken bogans stood and cheered while a bloke (albeit a
policemen) was down, and in a bad situation. If that's the case, what
point are you trying to make? If my interpretation is off the mark,
how should I read your story?

My interpretation is that at that time NSW traffic police were
regarded as a bunch of pricks which no one would help if they could
avoid it.
Traffic police aren't usually held in high regard even by other
police so its no great surprise that no one would help.
Click to expand...

NSW Police Safety Bureau had such a bad reputaion and and such poor
public relations, they had to change the name to Highway Patrol
Click to expand...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yer full of (not sure what) if any rider, that rode past, or bleated
from the pub door, and did not help the downed cop...is an arsehole. a
rider, is a rider, cock breath ****........
.
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Even bike riding lawyers, tax employees and accountants ?

x.x · May 28, 2009

I once got booked in Melbourne because I was carrying a canoe on my
unregistered 6x4 box trailer, which made it an unregistered boat
trailer. Boat trailers need to be registered.

Moike
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What? U r making this up surely!

A 6x4 b ox trailer remains regardless of what it is carrying

Boxer · May 28, 2009

D Walford said:

That's exactly why the thieving bastards get away with stealing so much of
our money, its cheaper just to pay up, most of us have probably done the
same thing.

Daryl
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I take every fine to court; over the years about 25% never get prosecuted as
the cop is too busy/retired/injured to pursue the matter.

Boxer

George W Frost · May 28, 2009

Yeebok said:

jonz said:

veritas said:

D Walford wrote:
wrote:
]

I cite an incident (long time ago) where a Safety Bureau (pre HWP and
more despised) made a ‚ÄúU‚Äù turn On Canterbury Road, outside of the
George Hotel, Belmore, when he gunned the 650 Trump too soon and lost
it, pinning himself under his MC in the middle of the busy road. The
noise of the fracas emptied the bar of the pub onto the footpath
where the patrons cheered at the cop, between sips of their middies,
who was desperately trying to extricate himself from under his
toppled machine AND hot exhaust pipe (the smell of fried bacon was
present). He was probably in that position for over five minutes
before the proprietor of the tyre retailing shopfront come out to
free him.

Can't say I follow you here. My interpretation of your story is that a
bunch of drunken bogans stood and cheered while a bloke (albeit a
policemen) was down, and in a bad situation. If that's the case, what
point are you trying to make? If my interpretation is off the mark,
how should I read your story?

My interpretation is that at that time NSW traffic police were regarded
as a bunch of pricks which no one would help if they could avoid it.
Traffic police aren't usually held in high regard even by other police
so its no great surprise that no one would help.

NSW Police Safety Bureau had such a bad reputaion and and such poor
public relations, they had to change the name to Highway Patrol
Click to expand...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yer full of (not sure what) if any rider, that rode past, or bleated from
the pub door, and did not help the downed cop...is an arsehole. a rider,
is a rider, cock breath ****........
.
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Even bike riding lawyers, tax employees and accountants ?
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There are quite a few bike riding lawyers, or solicitors as they are known
in OZ
but unfortunately, there is at least one call centre telephone operator who
rides a bike
well, sometimes he does, the rest of the time, he is stuffing up the bike
with self mechanics

jl · May 28, 2009

George said:

It was an 8 man rowing skiff / canoe
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Hmmm, so George W Frost is Moike's alter ego - I would never have guessed.

JL

jl · May 28, 2009

G-S said:

Would I have gotten costs though is the question?

It's not worth driving 200kms after work, staying in a motel, paying for
a meal, taking the next day off work, paying a solicitor (or a
barrister) going to court if all one gets out of it is the fine squashed.
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Well first you'll need to have legal grounds before you're likely to win
a case and get costs...

Just because the federal constitution gives the feds the right to pass a
law on the subject doesn't mean they have done so...

JL
(I'm fairly sure there's no law on the books saying GS is allowed to tow
his unregistered victorian trailer into NSW just because he's carrying
some work equipment.)

jl · May 28, 2009

G-S said:

It is something else... It's a different type of licence.

JL didn't specify 'drivers licences' he just said "licences aren't a
sale of goods and services' and I pointed out that some can be treated
as such at times.

You're narrowing the argument from that which JL made (which doesn't
mean you're wrong, it just means you're talking about something that JL
didn't say).
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Oh for crissakes you pedantic bastard, it's pretty clear from the
context I was talking about drivers licences not dog licences fishing
licences or taxi bloody licences <sheesh>

Besides which you're still wrong - there's no way a taxi licence (in the
sense of a licence to operate a taxi cab(1) not a licence to drive a
vehicle) comes under the commonwealth powers governing trade between
states. There is no interstate trade of taxi plates - they're state
specific. In fact they're often city specific.

JL
1 In NSW that would normally be referred to as ownership of the taxi
plates - I've not heard it called a licence here

Knobdoodle · May 28, 2009

"in any state"
or
"in any State"?
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In all States but not in some states!

George W Frost · May 28, 2009

jl said:

Hmmm, so George W Frost is Moike's alter ego - I would never have guessed.

JL
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Oi, **** off little john

Knobdoodle · May 28, 2009

jl said:

Hmmm, so George W Frost is Moike's alter ego - I would never have guessed.
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Jeezuz; if George is like the opposite-Moike then Moike must be really
REALLY smart!!

George W Frost · May 28, 2009

Knobdoodle said:

In all States but not in some states!
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So that is your final state ment?

George W Frost · May 28, 2009

jl said:

Oh for crissakes you pedantic bastard, it's pretty clear from the context
I was talking about drivers licences not dog licences fishing licences or
taxi bloody licences <sheesh>

Besides which you're still wrong - there's no way a taxi licence (in the
sense of a licence to operate a taxi cab(1) not a licence to drive a
vehicle) comes under the commonwealth powers governing trade between
states. There is no interstate trade of taxi plates - they're state
specific. In fact they're often city specific.

JL
1 In NSW that would normally be referred to as ownership of the taxi
plates - I've not heard it called a licence here
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Just an idiom, some call it a taxi licence, some call it an operator
licence, some call it a taxi plate.

Knobdoodle · May 28, 2009

D Walford said:

My interpretation is that at that time NSW traffic police were regarded as
a bunch of pricks which no one would help if they could avoid it.
Traffic police aren't usually held in high regard even by other police so
its no great surprise that no one would help.
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No matter how much I might think he deserved it it's still an abominable
situation for people to stand around and cheer while someone is in pain in
the middle of the road.
Didn't someone have a stick or a brick to put him out of his misery? (And
get him off the road to restore traffic-flow)?

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