I am in ur satellite, taxin ur congestion

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by intact.kneeslider, Jun 24, 2008.

  1. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/congestion-tax-for-drivers/2008/06/23/1214073151558.html

    New miracle solution to urban congestion: GPS-based tolling; coming
    soon (2011) to a Netherlands near you.

    Idea: scrap the fuel excise and registration fees, and bill people
    solely according to where and when they travel by personal transport,
    courtesy of an onboard GPS-based system reporting to a Big Scary
    Database of Doom(TM). The more congested a road, the higher the
    charge, so the cul-de-sac you live on would be free to rip doughnuts
    around until you ran low on what is your now substantially cheaper
    fuel, while motorways, arterials and roads in business districts at
    peak hour would be, in increasing order (presumably), the most
    expensive.

    Apparently, this would make people think twice about taking the car
    out during peak hour... because, after all, so many of them currently
    get up early in the morning and think, "I know; why don't I go sit in
    gridlock for an hour?".

    When it was the Queensland government looking at this type of
    technology to monitor speeding by bikes, this might've snuck in under
    the radar; the tax-paying population at large don't, really, mind
    their governments wasting money on stuff which doesn't affect them -
    like anti-submarine helicopters which don't work and new bogs for a
    bowls club on the Eyre Peninsula. This proposal, however, would see
    *everyone* paying more and *everyone* being penalised...

    ....all while encouraging people to drive more overall. If there's no
    more excise on fuel, and uncongested roads are free to drive on, the
    post-midnight cruise with the boys and the weekend trip to the country
    B&B, which are currently being endangered by expensive petrol, are
    back on the agenda. More young twits speeding through deserted city
    streets and more urban bumpkins driving further on country roads -
    modes of road travel which make the biggest contributions to the road
    toll.
     
    intact.kneeslider, Jun 24, 2008
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    Marty H Guest

    Marty H, Jun 24, 2008
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  3. You betcha. Remember the Harbour Bridge which was supposed to become
    free.
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Jun 24, 2008
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  4. How to lose a debate in three easy steps:

    1. Rather than attacking the other side's expressed position,
    extrapolate from it and attack that instead (they'll keep fuel excise
    and rego, you watch...)

    2. Use "clever" derisive labels (every time you say "GovCo", another
    public-private partnership fesibility study gets announced).

    3. Cite unrelated precedent (Well, OK, it's possible that the academic
    who conducted this study commutes across the Harbour Bridge).
     
    intact.kneeslider, Jun 24, 2008
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    Marty H Guest

    "Debate" (American English) or "debating" (British English) is a
    formal method of interactive and position representational argument.
    Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, since it
    includes persuasion which appeals to the emotional responses of an
    audience, and rules enabling people to discuss and decide on
    differences, within a framework defining how they will interact.


    I am a little confused.. who was Debating?


    or did we all miss the point you where trying to make in the first
    place?

    or did I miss the whole entire point and we need Smee in here to go
    WHOOOOSH?


    now, this is asking questions, not debating..

    mh
     
    Marty H, Jun 24, 2008
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    Diogenes Guest

    Anyway, for a debate you need an opponent, marty. I see nothing
    resembling an opponent...


    Onya bike...

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, Jun 24, 2008
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    Smeeegles Guest

    WHOOOOOOOOOSH! at the whole "debate"
     
    Smeeegles, Jun 24, 2008
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  8. On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:16:23 -0700 (PDT),
    OK - well let's look at a whole heap of other precedents then.
    We'll introduce a GST and cut other taxes. Whoops, that didn't happen.
    Actually, I can't be fucked. If you can't get the reference, then I
    don't have time. Believe whatever you want. My care factor is low
    right now.
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Jun 24, 2008
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    Marty H Guest

    yours too?

    must be some sort of phase of the moon

    mh
     
    Marty H, Jun 24, 2008
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    theo Guest

    Could you point me to the part that says anything about this scheme
    replacing the excise and rego fees. I can't see it in there anywhere.
    Nah mate, I get up at 6 and get to work before 7, then I leave to go
    home at 3:30. Minimal traffic problems for me.
    What? They couldn't fly underwater?
    I dunno about where you live, but in WA the vast majority of deaths
    are on country roads, and the biggest ccontributors are not the Urban
    Bumpkins, it's the Country Bumpkins that are dying. Some 60% of our
    road toll being single vehicle crashes on country roads. Those country
    kids just can't drive.

    Theo
     
    theo, Jun 25, 2008
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    theo Guest

    Sounds like a good solution. Cheers.

    Theo
     
    theo, Jun 25, 2008
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