if I wanted another bike....

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 16 May 2010 15:55:25 -0700 (PDT)

Have you seen what people are asking for those on bikesales and
fleabay? OK, asking and getting are different things, but still...

I think a KR1 is a bit much for me, I am very much leaning towards
some kind of motard whatsit. If only because I don't wanna ride a
pukka racerep (and it was *the* proddy bike after all) slowly and you
know I'll be slow....

Zebee

 

The name was Bond , not James but just 'Bond ' one wheel at the front
two at the back , the Morgan was two wheels at the front and single
rear wheel drive usually Jap Vtwin powered I got to ride in one of these
as a kid much to my fathers admonishment he wasnt impressed by the fact
I had disobeyed his orders . It was an exhilarating ride from what I
remember.

Dave P

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 16 May 2010 20:04:39 -0700 (PDT)

Both SRs and V50s are going for a fair amount of money these days.

And having lived with an SR and owning a modded XT I don't think I
want another.

a V50 might be good, pity I didn't decide that a couple of years after
Mum sold hers! They are getting horribly hard to find now, and parts
are harder than the bigblocks.

I think I should get the Old Girl on the road, so my new bike fever
symptoms abate...

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 17 May 2010 18:10:51 +1000

Nope. In NSW you can only take it on advertised club runs or the
occasional "testing run".

The logbook system is sensible, which is why the RTA will never
countenance it.

Zebee

 

Redhotpie found a few...

 

If it ever comes in Moike, you will regret the day you said "" and Vic will
soon - I hope- ""

Well, I have to disagree with you on the red plate log book idea
It is all a matter of money making venture for the roads departments.
At the moment, registration for a red plate is $108 per year and you have to
be in a club and on a club sponsored run to be able to ride the bike.
However, some owners, have decided that they want to ride or drive their
bike or car down the street for a pose value just to get the bread and milk.
They have been doing this and
This has been brought to the attention of the Policing bodies and of coarse,
other car and bike club members who "do the right thing" and only take their
vehicle out on club days.
But, this is the idea of a log book, where the vehicle owner can ride or
drive their red plated vehicle, for 90 days of the year without it being a
club sponsored event and each time the vehicle is taken out for a drive or
ride, such as testing etc, the event must be logged in the book, thereby,
making the test ride, a one day logging and therefore, you will have 89 days
left, so on and so forth.
Getting back to the money mention.
If the Roads Departments, have to issue a log book, then they will also
start charging you, the owner, for the issue of the log book, remembering
that nobody does anything for nothing these days and the cost of registering
a red plated vehicle, will rise from the aforementioned $108, to perhaps
$250, to "cover costs" as the Roads Department will kindly put it, making it
almost the same registration costs as for a normal road going vehicle.
However, aside from all this
there are many club members who have not really thought this things out and
they will have to start paying the extra registration for their vehicle, or
multiple vehicles, as many club members have and also, these vehicles will
only be brought out maybe once or five times a year, because they are old
and will not stand up to the ravages of daily use.

Would you ride a 1918 Rudge for 90 days a year?, given that if it breaks
down, as it will certainly will because of its age, the parts will cost a
fortune, either by importing them, or making them yourself or getting it
made.

Take an average Vintage or Veteran or Classic Club member, he or she, has
five vehicles, the cost to register these vehicles will double, putting
these historic vehicles effectivly off the road, not to be seen on the roads
again.
This ficticious member, with their five vehicles, will not be taking each
and every vehicle out on the road for 90 days each year, because, that will
take up every day of the year where they have to take the vehicle out to get
any advantage out of this 90 day permit.

I know some historic club members, who have 10 or more classic, veteran and
vintage bikes, another person in one club, has probably 25 old bikes, all on
red plates,
Imagine the registration costs for him and everyone else who has multiple
vehicles.
Imagine trying to locate one of the 25 log books to get the appropriate one
for the vehicle.
Imagine trying to put the log book somewhere when you are riding a bike,
which you will HAVE to do, carry the log book at all times when using the
vehicle,
Not every old bike has got a storage compartment for this log book

I went to an old blokes house one day and I was treated to a viewing of his
vehicles and bastard me, I had forgotten to take my camera with me,
Cars and bikes I had never seen before, but have read about them, about 10
in all
A Stutz Bearcat, a motor bike with a wicker passenger basket in the front of
the bike, something I had only ever dreamed about seeing in a book, not in
real life.
An odd looking car with a fabric body and an even odder looking motorbike
next to it bearing the same makers name
I had never heard of the name before, but these vehicles were in almost
showroom condition, maybe better, apart from the dust.
He was against the 90 day permit as his hobby is restoring these extra fine
vehicles and he said it would cost to much to have to register them for the
benefit of having a 90 day permit

The 90 day permit, was probably thought up by a shiny pants brigade member
to make extra money for their beloved boss.
I am totally against the 90 day permit idea and also against the 45 day
permnit which also has been mooted
Either way, it is a venture to obtain more money out of the enthusiasts.
Maybe South Australia has it already in place, but we all know about South
Australians

Want a real beer Johno ??

 

Zebee Johnstone wrote:

I asked about the hysterical plate business for the Z50, and it seems
that the "testing" business is based on the radius of a circle drawn
around your home. That radius varies depending on the club with which
you get your plate.

Ulysses Club members are, apparently, allowed a 50 kms radius from their
home for "testing" purposes, which is more than adequate for me to have
a wee run up the Old Road.

There doesn't appear to be a written down definition of how much
"testing" you can do, so I'd assume that the Law of Public Stupidity
would come into play, and using a hysterical plated bike as a day to day
transport, even within the 50 kms radius, probably wouldn't go unnoticed.

Another interesting thing with U.C. is that they have a regular mid-week
run and a weekend run, which, I think, are all up the Old Road, so what
happens to a U.C. member who lives in say Wagga, and has a historic
plate issued through Ulysses. Can s/he ride up to Sydney for the club
rides?

Anyhow, I decided that since the cash saving for the Z50 to be fully
registered was only about 50 or 60 bucks, it was probably easier to keep
Bluey in full rego.

As far as the Logbook business is concerned, I tend to agree with George
F. that it isn't a great notion.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

LOL. Thanks!

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 18 May 2010 07:38:56 +1000

I like it because it means I can ride my historic bike without having
to mess about with club runs and without having to have this "testing"
kludge.

Not sure what the SA day limit is, I think it's less than 90 days. As
I recall it was enough to take it out every weekend for most of the
year but not all.

I'm fairly sure you can only get historic rego for standard bikes not
specials, and they have to be certified by the club as standard and in
good condition.

Not a problem for the Devil, or for most of Phil's lot.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 18 May 2010 09:49:05 +1000

NSW might charge heaps, who knows?

It's $30 for 3 years in SA, plus club membership fees, which aren't
much for the Classic Owners.

(reminds me... have to get Phil to check status before Oct...)

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 18 May 2010 12:44:57 +1000

Heh I definitely do. Only get to ride the thing a couple of days a
year.

And a hard days riding in the Adelaide hills is less than one 13l tank
of 98 octane.

(Alas the place that used to sell 100 octane no longer does...)

Zebee

 

I fail to understand how a 90 or 45 day permit, will save you a considerable
amount of money.

Then that is very odd, as one of my red plated bikes just cost me $108

Here, Moike, at the moment, you can apply to the particular club you are in
and ask them for a permit to ride to Funkytown and it will be issued to you
for the weekend or the week, whatever you wish

So, why have any 90 or 45 day permit at all??

Mentioned previously, $108

Not really Moike, just plain basic economics

Why do you think this would change just with the introduction of a log book?
If an owner is going to change a red plate, then he will certainly use the
log book for whichever vehicle he is using with that plate.

So, your reasoning here is, you would still be happy paying twice as much,
just to have a log book?

But, as I said, there is not really additional freedom to ride your historic
bike, you can only ride it for a few days a year,
otherwise, it will keep breaking down because of worn parts.

The current scheme is based on a member of a recognised historic club, can
ride their machine on any club sponsored event,
they can also ride their machine on another clubs event, providing the
second club has an open event,
meaning open to all red plate machines.
This is enough value for any machine and having to pay extra for a 90 or 45
day permit, will not make it any better for the machine owners.
You can only use a machine for a certain amount of time each year
whether that be governed by the roads department with the present permit
scheme, or by a new 90 or 45 day permit scheme

Moike, take the cost of 25 machines at $108 each, or even your $56, a figure
I do not know how you got it but,
multiuply that and you get $1400, double that cost because that is what they
will do to the cost and you get 2800 each year,
meaning the owners will not bring out the older bikes which will require a
log book for each and every bike

His opinion was his own, formed in his mind at his own convenience
You may think that what I say is misinformation, but remember what you are
arguing against

My opposition on the log book idea, has nothing to do with Jeff Kennett or
superannuation

Unfortunately Moike, you have been told, by a member of the club you are in,
their views of the permit scheme and their interpretation and their ideas of
the scheme, without hearing the other side of the argument

Matter if fact, I just spoke to one on the phone and he asked me what was
the significance of the scar on his left shoulder
Poor bugger,
had no idea at all.
Probably comes from drinking all that muddy Murray water they call beer.

 

You can get a red plate for any bike, as long as it is 25 years old and road
registerable
with a roadworthy condition to go with it.
By special bikes, I take it you mean racing bikes ?
then no, they can't be red plated,
The red plate officer of the club, has to verify that the bike is 25 years
or more old and that it is in a roadworthy condition.
The aforementioned is on the condition that you are a member of an Historic
Club

 

Me too.

Boxer

 

This is the situation in WA
http://www.avonvintagecars.org.au/PDF/Conc_Licence_Sept_2004.pdf

Comes to $71.10 per annum including TPI. $12 extra if you don't
already have "Historic" plates.

Test running is quite liberal.

Theo
Editor of the Avon Valley Vintage Vehicle Association. (My dad made me
join)

 

Oops. I doubled that up. total cost is actually $35.50 per annum,
including Rego $0, Insurance $17.70, Stamp duty on Insurance $1.75,
recording fee of $16.20.

Theo

 

Not all 'historic' bikes are as break down prone as you suggest.

I have a mate with a restored K2 750 SOHC Honda which is as reliable as
any modern bike and which he's got on club plates at the moment.


G-S

 

I have 3 bikes on club plates and each one would take me to Perth & Back to
Brisbane without any problem at all.

1974 BMW R75/6
1978 BMW R100RS
1982 BMW R100S

Boxer

 

Me three (including for my truck).


BTH

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 18 May 2010 19:19:54 +1000

When I was riding the Devil hard every weekend it only broke down on
me once: the carby end of the throttle cable lost its nipple...

It's in as good condition now as it was then, probably even better as
it's not getting thrashed every weekend!

THe Old Girl was a perfectly reliable commuter and will be again.
Hell the Yammie (1976) is fine and I'd be riding it if it didn't keep
vibrating its rear mudguard and numberplate off!

I'm thinking that if I'm after an interesting road bike I should try
and talk Phil out of his CB450T post classic racer. Stunningly good
looking bike and heaps of fun to ride. Just need to fit lights.
Wonder if he'd swap it for a modified XT needing a rear mudguard...

Zebee