If Stoner won the championship....

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by robotiser, May 4, 2007.

  1. robotiser

    Mark N Guest

    That I'd agree with. Although it's a little odd that the bike seems to
    work better for the new guy than their #1 guy who's been there from
    the beginning. And you can't give Ducati credit for what Bridgestone
    is doing, although they do deserve the credit for deciding to make
    that move after the 2004 season. I thought it was a very good decision
    at the time, and probably not as risky as some thought. Although it
    was something of an open consession that they didn't think they could
    beat Honda and Yamaha straight up, on the same tires.
     
    Mark N, May 7, 2007
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  2. robotiser

    Chris Paine Guest

    Yet more evidence that we are two countries separated by a common
    language. Of course it was an attempt at humour (admittedly a poor
    attempt - I blame posting after being at my local beer festival). How
    any one could take it as an attack on their countries political system
    is beyond me.

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, May 7, 2007
    #22
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  3. It's called an opinion for a reason, but despite his 125/250 success, I
    still don't see Capirossi as consistent enough for a MGP championship. We've
    gone around on this one before, but that's my opinion. Hopkins and Stoner
    have yet to show the needed consistency as well, at least from a podium
    level standpoint. For Nokano, I just don't see it. The body of work
    (success) doesn't seem to be there over the long haul.
    You're right; who knows. It could be that once you (Capirossi) give yourself
    a finite point of retirement you begin to mail it in, bit by bit.

    Mark, I say this in all sense of being reasonable: you have complained that
    I am too literal, but when you refer to Elias as a midget in a reference
    where he had culpability in a racing incident, you want me _not_ to read
    between the lines.

    However, look what you've gone and done. Adding weight to the bikes to
    minimize smaller riders' advantage only serves to accentuate any lack of
    physical strength, which in turn means the smaller riders may have even less
    strength to control the bike.

    I think a bigger problem is that there is no AMA prototype class. You can
    argue that it's obsolete to race 125s and 250s, but when Dorna and the FIM
    eventually figure out the formulas and mandate 4 stroke development
    classes, will the AMA jump on the bandwagon?

    See my above comments on added weight.
    You're right, Mark. I know almost nothing about you, so I have to evaluate
    you on what you have provided in this forum.


    I will guarantee you I'm not some politically-correct bleeding
    Too bad you couldn't have seen me numerous times flying in the Charles du
    Gaulle airport, feeling "Euro-ed out" and wishing I could just turn around
    and catch the next flight back to the east coast. Or times when the French
    teams would leave the hotel after a race and we would stay after for a few
    days until we traveled to the next race and the hotel operator would shut
    off the heat. All too frequent ice cold showers in some small town school
    after races. Washing clothes in the sink and having to let them drip dry so
    you could wear them again, occasionally damp, the next day. The former US
    airbase at Sembach in Germany was a haven for us. I'm not knocking the
    French or Germans; for all I know, that's how all foreigners were treated,
    Euro or not. I'm not looking for pity; those were the more or less accepted
    routines. Club Med it wasn't.
     
    Carl Sundquist, May 8, 2007
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  4. There already is a small rider penalty in the form of minimum weight.
    Relative to their own size, the bike is a greater % of total weight.
    Generally, I'm not enamored with adding weight to "even things up", but your
    suggestion of dynamic weight is an interesting one.

    Although it will never happen, the issue could be eliminated by making the
    bikes generally harder to ride, like the 500s without traction control.
     
    Carl Sundquist, May 9, 2007
    #24
  5. robotiser

    Mick Guest

    Noise restrictions aren't the problem at Laguna, once they designate one
    of their 5 "noise" events for a race weekend, it doesn't matter how many
    classes are run that are above the noise limit. The AMA classes are all
    above the regular noise limit at Laguna, which is 92db.

    As for the reasons that the 125cc & 250cc classes don't come to Laguna
    is that it saves the teams in those classes the cost of coming to the
    states. I also believe that the AMA pushed to be part of the weekend for
    the exposure and the fact that up till this year, it was the only date
    the AMA could be a part of. That changed and Laguna will host another
    weekend of AMA races this year in September which will be the final
    round on the AMA schedule. We'll see what the future holds and whether
    the AMA continue to be a part of the MotoGP weekend.

    I loved it when the full GP circus came in to race at Laguna in the late
    80's and early 90's. Of course there weren't any 4 strokes involved then
    with the MotoGP class. I do miss the morning wake up of the smell of
    two-stroke racing out on a corner. It'll be interesting to see if the
    somewhat near future holds foor-strokes for all classes.

    --
    Mick aka MotoMania
    motomick at sbcgobal dot net

    "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
    safely in a pretty and well preserved body -- but rather to skid in
    broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
    -- WOW, WHAT A RIDE!!" - Author : Unknown
     
    Mick, May 9, 2007
    #25
  6. And when it wasn't a Bridgestone track? That's what I mean about his
    consistency.
     
    Carl Sundquist, May 10, 2007
    #26
  7. robotiser

    Tex Guest

    Yes, they're losing. Aww diddums :)
     
    Tex, May 15, 2007
    #27
  8. robotiser

    Tex Guest

    Good thing I wasn't talking about the premier class
    It should continue for a while as long as Stoner keeps his head. It'd be
    especially funny if the "greatest rider of all time" continues to crack up
    mentally.....
     
    Tex, May 16, 2007
    #28
  9. robotiser

    Tex Guest

    Good thing I'm not a "septic".

    Rossi is certainly high in the crybaby stakes at the moment
     
    Tex, May 16, 2007
    #29
  10. robotiser

    pablo Guest

    Is he? I think saying he'd need a gun to beat Stoner is a pretty low key
    statement coming from a multi champion. Can you give us a link to a single
    excuse Rossi is making? Because I haven't seen excuses. Nor one. Nothing
    about my bike ain't working, nor about my tires ain't any good. One thing
    about Rossi is... that's not what he does or has done. Like ever. He's
    pretty gracious. Of course, he can afford to be.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, May 17, 2007
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  11. robotiser

    Tex Guest

    ....apart from all that hypocritical whining about Elias' "dangerous"
    riding....
     
    Tex, May 17, 2007
    #31
  12. robotiser

    pablo Guest

    Come on, every rider will have hard feelings about hard moves, and Elias
    rides *hard*. You all it whining, I think he meant it as criticism, which he
    is entitled to. It wasn't an excuse from where I was, perhaps your vintage
    point is different
     
    pablo, May 17, 2007
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  13. robotiser

    Tex Guest

    Aus
     
    Tex, May 17, 2007
    #33
  14. Austin?
     
    Carl Sundquist, May 17, 2007
    #34
  15. robotiser

    Tex Guest

    Try going much farther south-westerly
     
    Tex, May 17, 2007
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  16. robotiser

    T3 Guest

    Jeez Champ, with a moniker like Tex, he'd almost have to be from Queensland
    and speaking of "Texans," I heard 'yer boi Blair is finally stepping down,
    any word yet on who Bush is going to appoint to replace him?
     
    T3, May 17, 2007
    #36
  17. robotiser

    T3 Guest

    Texas, a bigass place mostly full of nothing, remind you of anything?
    (Heh, actually, it's a 'Merkan state chock full of Mexicans!)
    Too bad I thought Gonzales, or Wolfowitz might've applied, hopefully they'll
    be looking for work soon too, though if I had my way they'd(boss and friends
    too) be busy for the next 30 years at the iron bar hotel..
    Cycle turning? That remains to be seen, but one can only hope...
     
    T3, May 17, 2007
    #37
  18. Where I come from, "Mexicans" are Victorians, because they're
    from "south of the border".

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, May 17, 2007
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  19. robotiser

    T3 Guest

    Ayup, been there once myself, well, the airport in Brisbane anyway, but from
    what I've heard it's a pretty decent place, the Coral Sea, Barrier Reef and
    all that, trouble is, it's said to be full of 'Stralians! Heh, sorta' like
    Texas and all them Texicans I guess...
     
    T3, May 17, 2007
    #39
  20. robotiser

    sturd Guest

    T3 mentions:
    Gotta get back for more dirt biking in the Kimberlies someday.
    Aussies aren't all bad, least not the ones that aren't crocs. I could
    take you to a nice bar in Exmouth if you could figure out how to
    get there without running over a 'roo. Don't eat the eggs at Manilya
    roadhouse on the way.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd, May 17, 2007
    #40
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