Industrial chain v bike chain

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Harry Bloomfield, Apr 9, 2004.

  1. Getting back to the chain final drive thread....

    Is there any difference between the spec of chains one can buy from
    industrial chain suppliers and motorcycle parts dealers? I suspect,
    that as in the supply of bearings and oil seals, the former will be
    much cheaper.

    Incidently, I tried to find a motorcylcle dealer in Leeds from which to
    obtain a split link for the GPZ. Not one of the 6 I rang had such an
    item in stock, but were prepared to order one up for me.
     
    Harry Bloomfield, Apr 9, 2004
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  2. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember Harry Bloomfield
    Same stuff. Just arrives in 100m rolls instead of nice packets. You can
    get industrial 'O' ring chain as well as ordinary heavy duty.
    Considerably cheaper, as you suggest.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Apr 9, 2004
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    Mark Olson Guest

    ITYF that in fact, motorcycle chain is well designed for the purpose, and
    if you shop around, you can get good quality chain for a reasonable price.

    I am not a chain expert, but my *guess* is that typical industrial chain
    is rated for less power than a bike chain of the same size would be.
    In an industrial application, minimum size and weight may not be
    as critical as they are for a bike, so a lower spec chain of larger
    dimensions can deliver the same power and have the same service life as
    a smaller chain of higher spec.

    FWIW, a friend once tried some industrial chain (from a local farm supply
    house) on his '83 VF750F and IIRC it lasted all of about 5k miles. It was
    very cheap, and might actually have been reasonable in terms of miles
    per dollar, but it was obviously not a winner if you value your time.

    As far as split links go, why? Learn how to install a rivet link
    (without needing any fancy tools beyond a ball pein hammer or two)
    and you're all set.
     
    Mark Olson, Apr 9, 2004
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    Tim Guest

    Reaches for catalogue ....

    Single bushed roller chain load bearing from 1,800N to 29,000N for
    example.
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    Tim, Apr 9, 2004
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    tallbloke Guest

    Try SKF Binson Bearings on Roundhay Road for industrial chain.
    Ok on lighter bikes, but I'd be wary about high output 4's.

    HTH
     
    tallbloke, Apr 9, 2004
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    Mark Olson Guest

    No, he assumed going in that the farm supply chain was likely to be of
    lower spec than premium bike chain, but was curious to find whether it was
    a reasonable compromise in terms of miles/dollar. When you factor in the
    time involved in replacing chains (and the small amount of increased wear
    on the sprockets due to faster wearing chain) it wasn't a particularly
    good scheme.
    Having now had personal experience with a Scottoiler on my SV, I would
    imagine one would get fairly decent chain life with any reasonable
    spec chain. I don't doubt that there is industrial chain available in
    grades that are suitable for bike use, at a lower price than what one
    typically pays for bike chain. At the first chain replacement on the SV
    (currently at 22k miles on the OEM chain) I will look into the possibility
    of using industrial chain.
     
    Mark Olson, Apr 9, 2004
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    Mark Olson Guest

    Bad form to followup my own post, & all that...

    Just had a peek at http://www.mcmastercarr.com to get a rough idea of
    the cost of buying industrial roller chain from a typical distributor.
    Except for the lowest-spec chain, MMC's prices for non-O-ring chain[1]
    are comparable or higher than decent quality O-ring chain from discount
    bike supply firms[2]. Comparing non-O-ring 525 size bike chain to the
    cheapest standard ANSI #50 chain[3] that MMC sells, the bike chain is
    actually a little cheaper!

    Given the fact that I am still using the original chain at 22k miles
    on my SV, and it seems to have plenty of life left in it, I don't think
    economizing on chain is a huge priority for me.

    [1] I didn't find any O-ring roller chain on the MMC website.

    [2] http://www.denniskirk.com

    [3] There is no ANSI standard chain size in MMC's catalog equivalent to
    the 525 size the SV uses, ANSI #50 appears to be the same size as 530
    bike chain.
     
    Mark Olson, Apr 9, 2004
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  8. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Heh. Only goes to show the power of bulk purchasing...

    In my case, a local industrial transmission stockist was going head to
    head with local bike dealers, even though they were entirely unaware of
    it and probably couldn't have given a shit anyway.



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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Apr 9, 2004
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  9. tallbloke presented the following explanation :
    Thanks, I usually buy such items from Spen over at Micklefield. They
    didn't have the size in stock but quoted around £50 for the length
    needed (none O ring), so nothing much to be saved there I suspect.

    I managed to get hold of an O ring chain at Dyrons, the only one to be
    found in Leeds apparently. £74-ish.
     
    Harry Bloomfield, Apr 9, 2004
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    Molly Guest

    They are different. Industrial chains don't normally have oil
    retaining "O-rings". I would think that Motorcycle Chains would be
    cheaper because the market is much bigger.
     
    Molly, Apr 10, 2004
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