Interesting M1 experience

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Hog, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. Hog

    Hog Guest

    It's good to have new experiences and to see things that surprise the
    jaded mind.

    I was proceeding up the M1 between Sheffield and Leeds early yesterday
    afternoon on 4 wheels when the owner of a rather souped up Evo VI
    appeared. The road was surprisingly empty and bone dry so we
    investigated his 3rd gear potential. Pretty impressive, the equal of
    mine, though his engine may not last long. His stability in <cough>mph
    long tight sweepers was not inspiring though so, as we had been chopping
    and changing and he was ahead, I fell back ~30 car lengths.

    We were both allowing for other traffic and not overtaking at excessive
    differential speed, so when looking ahead we saw 3 cars bunched, 2 in
    the middle lane and one in the inside lane, both of us slowed. The rear
    of the two mid lane drivers was a little MG sports car behind a last
    model Mondy and the MG moved out to overtake. At this point, I guess he
    hadn't checked his mirror, he saw the Evo closing at around 20mph more,
    but with *plenty* of room. All the MG had to do was complete his
    manoeuvre, but no, he panicked.

    I've seen this kind of thing on TV but never in real life. The MG moved
    in left too sharply, unsettling his suspension. He then realised his
    speed relative to the Mondy was too much to loose and a Puma was
    blocking the inside lane. He stabbed at the brakes, further unsettling
    the suspension but the EVO whipped past him so the MG dived out around
    the outside of the Mondy, just missing the rear offside wing. It was all
    too much for the little British sports car and as the suspension
    unloaded (again) the rear wheels went light and he did a kind of car
    highside. In an instant and for an instant he was doing 80mph sideways,
    smoke pouring off the tyres, then in that highside sort of way the car
    corrected, violently

    It all went into slow motion for me at this point. I was still a good 10
    car lengths behind, sitting on brand new 295 Rosso rubber with the
    Active Suspension on Sport. The MG's jive had given me time to move my
    foot from the loud pedal onto the brake and just put the pads in contact
    for a moment, letting them drag (and warm). The car type highside
    overcorrection slammed the MG into the offside of the Mondy and off into
    the Barrier, ripping away the front body shell and lots of engine
    looking stuff. My brain was in full on avoidance mode now. There was no
    obvious way through and I was pinning the monster brembo's just off the
    ABS point and moving to the right limit of the outside lane to avoid the
    spinning wreckage. The seatbelt was crushing my ribs and I had my head
    forward just in case of impact.

    The Mondy was heading left now after the blow and caught the rear
    offside wing of the Puma which took a 50deg path into the central
    reservation. On the way it caught the spinning MG and Mondy and they
    literally shredded each other and slammed into the barrier. I moved
    sharply to the left straddling the middle and outside lanes, avoiding
    more debris. The brembos were hot now and biting like a rabid terrier
    and the active suspension had the car flat and low on the road. I
    flashed a glance in the mirror and could see the following traffic had
    been well behind and was going to stop in plenty of time. I could also
    tell by now that my stopping distance had been ample. It was incredible
    how far the three crashing cars had travelled forward. I eased the
    brakes and pulled up 3 car lengths from the wrecks, then went through
    them and ahead when I thought of fire.

    In more slow motion the driver of the Mondy was able to release himself
    and dived for the hard shoulder, probably fearing fire and closing
    traffic. Behind us the three lanes were already stopped. One asshole,
    another Mondy, just couldn't wait or had been closing too fast however
    and he came up the hard shoulder missing the running driver by a hair
    when he flung himself sideways to the ground. That **** didn't stop and
    I couldn't get his number.

    Everything jumped back into real time, those travellers not immobilised
    were pulled out onto the hard shoulder. The risk of moving neck
    injuries seemed less than the whole shebang going pear shaped, there was
    a lot of fuel and oil around. Emergency services must have been close by
    for they started to appear in moments.

    The passenger cells of the three cars held up amazingly well despite the
    brain numbing violence of the movement and impacts. Everyone was removed
    without cutting. Three of the 5 people were able to walk although
    bruised and shaken with sprained necks, the other two didn't exhibit
    life threatening injury. I reflected for a while how it would have gone
    had in been in the same position on a bike. I might have had more space
    to get through and past them. I doubt the Ducati can stop as quickly
    from 80odds as the C2S, though one might be surprised, I don't know what
    the relative stats are like. The age old habits of leaving plenty of
    bike><**** distance certainly stack up though.

    The driver of the MG is definitely up for a Courtroom kicking and nice
    Mr Plod has already taken my statement. Someone has to pay for some new
    Barrier after all!
     
    Hog, Jan 20, 2008
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  2. <reads post thrice just to make sure>

    **** off with yer fucking cage threads to somewhere where someone gives
    a ****.

    Although having owned and operated a number of MG type vehicles over the
    years I am surprised there were no deaths.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 20, 2008
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  3. Hog

    Lozzo Guest

    steve auvache says...
    If it's a modernish MG, like a TF, then it has Hydrolastic suspension,
    just like the foul handling Morris 1100 had.
     
    Lozzo, Jan 20, 2008
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  4. Then it is not a *real* MG.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 20, 2008
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  5. Hog

    SD Guest

    I take it the statement was highly selective in its content, or did it
    include the sentence "If the Evo and I hadn't been racing, none of
    this would have happened"?
     
    SD, Jan 20, 2008
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  6. Hog

    Lozzo Guest

    steve auvache says...
    What was an old MG, just a warmed up slightly restyled version of an old
    Morris. That's pretty much what a modern MG was.
     
    Lozzo, Jan 20, 2008
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  7. Heh. I wondered about that, too.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 20, 2008
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  8. Hog

    Hog Guest

    We weren't racing, we were just keeping up with each other and not above 3rd
    gear speeds, otherwise I would have been miles beyond them all. At the time
    of the incident neither of us were driving above usual M-Way speeds or
    faster than other traffic in the 2nd overtaking lane. Above 70 yes but Plod
    showed no interest or surprise.
    As I said, MG owner could have completed his overtaking manoeuvre. Evo owner
    would not have been surprised or have braked excessively hard and I was well
    back out of the melee.
    The only reason for the accident was the MG attempting acrobatics not
    usually seen outside an Alabama Police Camera Action video.

    And in any event, doesn't faster traffic always take precedence inside or
    outside...
     
    Hog, Jan 20, 2008
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  9. Hog

    Hog Guest

    It was one of the recent ones. I think the correct name might be MGF.
    Usually seen as a ragtop but it seemed to have a hardtop fitted. Like this
    www.bmh-ltd.com/hardtop.htm
     
    Hog, Jan 20, 2008
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  10. Hog

    Hog Guest

    Then you didn't read it through. We were overtaking at normalised traffic
    speeds.
     
    Hog, Jan 20, 2008
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  11. Hog

    SteveH Guest

    TF had coils.... the original F was on hydragas.
     
    SteveH, Jan 20, 2008
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  12. Hog

    Hog Guest

    I don't think any conventionally sprung car would have survived the double
    manoeuvre, or possibly any vehicle at all. Cheeky sod in the MG tried to
    wriggle off the hook saying the Evo had shunted him, a lie.

    I just looked up the specs of the Evo VI, interesting beastie.
     
    Hog, Jan 20, 2008
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  13. Hm..mmm.. 20mph faster than the other traffic.... Depends, really.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 20, 2008
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  14. Did the Evo stop?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 20, 2008
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  15. Hog

    Hog Guest

    A pretty normal margin between lanes IME, for cages
     
    Hog, Jan 20, 2008
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  16. Hog

    Hog Guest

    I suspect he doesn't even know it happened!
     
    Hog, Jan 20, 2008
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    Pete M Guest

    Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate
    Er, no.

    The MG F has Hydrospastic suspensiotn, the MG TF was on coils - that's why
    they renamed it.
     
    Pete M, Jan 20, 2008
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  18. Hog

    Lozzo Guest

    Hog says...
    I know the kind, the last of that breed were called MG TFs. My sister
    had one of the first of them, piece of shit that it was.
     
    Lozzo, Jan 20, 2008
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  19. Hog

    Lozzo Guest

    Pete M says...
    I stand corrected. Did the TF handle as badly as the F?
     
    Lozzo, Jan 20, 2008
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  20. Hog

    Eiron Guest


    So you were racing on The Queen's highway and you slowed to around 100mph.
    If Mr. Plod reads usenet, you're going down, you slag.
     
    Eiron, Jan 20, 2008
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