Interesting viewpoint

"Whoosh".

 

But they could kill motorcyclists.

 

I've driven from Swindon up through the Cotswolds to Birmingham many,
many times over the last ten years. I frequently have to scrape ice off
my windscreen, yet the roads are perfectly dry & grippy (not exactly
uncommon when your car's parked in the shade from the morning sun).

The roads are often dry & grippy when I set off, but icy a few miles
into the journey - or 20 miles into the journey - or 50 miles into the
journey.

Sometimes the roads are dry & grippy all the way, except for one small
stretch which has been treacherous. A few times there's been a section
of road that's /so/ slippery that purely the camber of the road has
been enough to make my car slide sideways into the verge at walking
pace.

The point is that 50mph may well have been perfectly safe for the
driver's journey, up to the point near where the accident happened. To
comply with your perfect world, he would've had to assume that ice on
his windscreen meant all the roads were covered with ice too (which is
obviously absurd), & drive everywhere at 10mph *just in case* there was
a particularly icy patch (even if he'd already done 100 miles on
perfectly dry, grippy roads).

I'm not saying the cyclists were in any way to blame, but it's very
possible the driver didn't do anything wrong either, other than be in
the wrong place at the wrong time. He was driving too fast for the
conditions *on that particular bit of road*, but it may well have been
impossible to judge what those conditions were based on the rest of his
journey.

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Why do you think they ride like that?

It's not for the fun of it, or for the thrill, it's because someone
sat in an office somewhere has told them that the package they're
carrying needed to be there yesterday.

They're put in that position by their customers. Us. Not by
themselves. Same applies to motorcycle couriers, or just about anyone
in a delivery role.

 

Why don't you just **** off to
uk.rec.sensible.posts.without.resorting.to.childish.insults where your
sort are tolerated.

 

Lesson One, children, is to spot the logic flaw in this argument...

 

So? There's nothing remotely strange about that if you hit a patch of
black ice at 50mph.

You really need to stop flogging that point - it's *completely*
irrelevant to the road conditions at the accident site.


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So it's cold enough for ice a few miles up the road, but that few miles
*completely* removes any possibility at the accident site? While it
doesn't ensure there will be black ice there it suggests it's a real
possibility that it's worth accounting for.

Or are you happy blasting along untreated roads on frosty days at those
sorts of speeds, knowing that the mere presence of freezing temperatures
is *completely* irrelevant to the chances of a slide on the bit of road
you're at now?

Pete.

 

No, they were *defective*. Not quite the same thing.

 

Indeed. And if they'd taken out a cyclist during their slide, they
would've been exhonerated of all blame (being as they're 'highly
trained drivers') & the accident put down to a sudden & unpredictable
change of road conditions. Which would've been the right result imo.


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In

Earlier this year I had cause to cycle along a country lane which was
wall-to-wall ice. The sight of the Vauxhall Vectra embedded in the hedge
halfway along the four hundred yard ruler straight section with which said
road starts showed that care would be needed.

I didn't fall off, unlike the Mercedes half a mile further on.

 

Ice on a windscreen doesn't equal ice on the road. If you don't know
that, you've obviously never owned a car.

Obviously not.

OK so you get up in the morning & have to scrape your windscreen. You
then start driving at 15mph on roads that are completely free of ice.
How far do you go before you decide it's safe to drive faster - 1 mile,
10 miles, all the way? You drive at a speed you judge to be safe based
on the conditions. If those conditions suddenly change without any
warning, you may get away with it, you may not. This guy didn't.

Oh FFS - 'blasting along at those sorts of speed'? If you genuinely
drive everywhere at 10mph whenever the temperature drops below zero, I
feel really sorry for all the people sat in the queue behind you.

I'll leave you to work out how long it would take me to get from
Swindon to Birmingham at 10mph - bearing in mind this was my daily
commute for three years.


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Bad form, but as you're presumably a cyclist, I'm sure you'll be aware
of the sudden drops in air temperature you get on certain bits of road.
It's highly possible for the air temp to be a few degrees above zero,
but suddenly drop to below zero for a short stretch. I'm sure you take
this into account when you're driving, & crawl along at walking pace
whenever it's below 5 degrees, /just in case./


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Exectly the same thing in this case. They were defective in the sense
that they had no tread on them. They were bald.

 

I expect he built his speed up finding most of the road to be fine, as would
most people.
As for slow, only cunts drive slowly.

 

My car (like most I guess these days) displays the ambient temperature
and when it's below 5 degrees, a little 'snow flake' symbol is also
shown so I know when to crawl along at 5mph.

 

Mine has one of these too, and generally I take it to mean I shouldn't
exceed 119mph, as that's the max speed rating for the winter tyres.

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in message <>,
TOG@toil,, ('')
wrote:

The police evidence was that they were bald. Do you know something the
police didn't?

 

*nice*

 

If there's ice about - if you have reasonable reason to believe there is
ice about, such as scraping ice off your windscreen for five minutes - and
you drive at 50mph, then that's criminal - dangerous driving - in itself.