Interesting viewpoint

Well you'd better drive at 20mph everywhere then in case you lose
control due to a blow-out, or mechanical failure, or patch of diesel on
the road, or a deer running out in front of you etc etc.

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I bet 100% of traction engines could kill someone if they went out of
control at a steam rally.

 

So? The trick we need to learn isn't to hit people at lower speeds,
but not to hit them at all. Advocating lower speeds doesn't address
the main issue, which is often insufficient separation between types
of traffic.

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We heard you the first time...

 

Sorry, I fucked up the headers, so ukrm wasn't there any more.
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You'll find they were most likely all insured. Pretty near every
cycling club in the country is affiliated with the BCF or the CTC and
as part of that they get third party insurance.

 

with studded tires yes! with out no.

roger

 

How about the cunts stop jaywalking instead?
At 20 one would soon get fed up having to reverse back over them.

 

The issue is pedestrians not taking care. It's rare for traffic to mount the
pavement at speed. The fucking roads were paid for 10 times over by tax on
the vehicles driving on them, not by the cunts walking on them.

 

I agree completely, again.

The arguent could be made that driving is an excessive risk for non drivers
and that vehicles should be banned altogether. Similar to the smoking ban.
If smokers had been more considerate it might not have happened. Most
drivers are considerate. The majority of pedestrians run down are
jaywalking.

 

We're talking about a case where a car crossed the road, smashed through a
group of other road users (who were in the right place on the road minding
their own business), crossed eight feet of grass verge, bounced of a wall,
recrossed the eight feet of grass verge, crossed the entire width of an A
class road, and ended up on the other grass verge.

There were no pedestrians. So the issue of whether pedestrians take care or
not has precisely nothing to do with is.

Road Tax was abolished by Winston Churchill in 1935. The roads, fucking or
otherwise, are paid for out of general taxation, into which everyone pays.

 

On occasion? You're slipping.

 

I wasn't using it as a legal term, though it's a law we need.
So 120 out of 670. I was about right then.

 

See, as a driver, cyclist, pedestrian and (now ex-) motorcyclist I
really don't get this. Speeds should be appropriate to the conditions,
and clearly in an area with lots of crossings and junctions one should
drive with due caution for other road users, but I really don't see
why it should be incumbent on drivers to slow down to such levels as
to be able to avoid other people who are not proceeding with
sufficient caution.

In practice, the vast majority of car/person accidents are not
primarily caused by the driver, but by a pedestrian (or cyclist) being
somewhere they shouldn't be. I'd hate to think that I should rely on
car drivers to avoid me when I'm cycling or walking; no, it's up to me
to make sure that I don't put myself in danger.

Of course, there are a relatively small number on accidents caused by
a driver losing control and mounting pavements, or failing to stop at
red lights/crossings etc., but these wouldn't be helped by lower speed
limits anyway.

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Shout of Wanker at the end summed it up, really.
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Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

 

I was going to say something like "you can tell by looking at which side
of the road they ride on", but, er.

It's still the case that most of the riding you see there's not
especially dangerous, just bloody rude. Going round the right of
oncoming traffic (e.g. in the bits on New Oxford St when they were on
the wrong side of the road) probably deserves a slap, as does forcing
other traffic to give way when going through reds. Forcing
*pedestrians* to give way deserves a kick in the spokes. But they are
still showing more road awareness than the average
up-the-left-side-of-a-bus trundlie. A lot like taxis really: know
exactly what they're doing but not much respect for anyone else on the
same road.

(Disclaimer: I'm talking entirely in a London mindset. Out in the
sticks it's all different)


-dan

 

The rest are prolly hit by cyclists riding on the pavement

 

Saw that. "Danger" in terms of potential for getting a stiff
ticking-off and possibly a fine: high; *actual* threat to life and limb:
probably lower that most other vehicles you could have done the same
thing to. Police drivers are on the whole less likely than average to
escalate by doing something stupid of their own.


-dan

 

I know, I know.
I do find it hard to get out of car mode when I am on the bike, which
is very frustrating. I tend to join queues of traffic before it dawns
on me I really ought to just wriggle up to the front of the queue.

On the occasions I am out with someone else I find it easier to follow
their lead and it all sort of falls into place a bit quicker.

I need to get out on the bike more, and if the weather was better I
would commute on it when I have office days.

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Interesting viewpoint.
In retrospect "hate list" is probably not the best phrase to have used.
A better description would be "list of other road users most likely to
put a big hole in my day and best avoided". WRT bike couriers, without
exception I have never seen one riding, erm, responsibly.

Heh, hardly likely [1]. There do seem to be a lot of people out there
who get very emotional about driving, and have some real anger
management issues. The twat I encountered on the way to the bike show
in Feb this year really shook me up.

[1] If I do encounter a motorcyclist really cutting it fine, whilst
normally outwardly tutting, the overwhelming sense I have is that I
wish I could do that (and be in control and enjoy it). You're right, I
am a bigot.

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Dan L

http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/
1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr

BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7)
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