InterRail (yes, it's OT)

Where did I say that?

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Name one.

 

I do my best.

How about if I started bandying the word 'nigger' about ?

D.

 

Wow, I knew you were dim, but I didn't think you were actually truly
stupid.

If I called you a dumb kike, or perhaps a tight Jewish ****, does that
make me anti-semetic too? Or do I have to express my opinions on the
politics back in the mother land to deserve that label?

 

Hmm ..

http://coughlan.fr/give_back.jpg

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You can't "give back land", unless it wasn't yours in the first place.

 

Well I'm Jewish, and the use of the word 'kike' _does_ bother me.

Question?

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Oh. If you use the words 'dumb kike' does it make you an anti-Semite?
Yes, because when you use that word, you don't just attack me for what you
think of my posts, but for what I am. If I think a black person is being
very stupid, I'll call him an idiot, or a dumb **** or whatever. If I say,
'you fucking stupid black bastard', or 'you dense nigger', then I'm
attacking his colour, over which he has no control. It is _prima facie_
racism; just as 'kike' or 'yid' are anti-Semitic insults for they do not
attack the person but his religion, over which he (in this case, I) has no
control.

It's really not rocket science.

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Well, I'm not black, so it wouldn't bother me, nor for that matter, most
of the black people that I know - as they refuse to react to it -
thereby making it meaningless to them.

So, just because you think the term "nigger" may be racist, doesn't make
you one.

Now, please answer the question.

 

You thick ****.

I may be able to give you my motorbike (this fits your definition).

I cannot give you back my motorbike, as it wasn't yours in the first place.

The only way that you could, possible, twist this, is if:

I give you my motorbike.
You give it back to me.
I give it back to you.
and so on.

However, note the original ownership in this example is still with me.

 

*Snort*

Oh Jahweh, not another....

 

Well, that's your choice. Sticks and Stones etc.

Even though I'm Jewish?

 

Oh, dear.

Considering the rest of your post, these three words are _deliciously_
ironic.

Wrong. You can 'give back' something that you possess. It is not
necessary that your possession of the object be _lawful_.

Let's make it topical ...

'you park your bike in the street and as you're walking around admiring
it, you're kidnapped and dragged into a van and driven a hundred miles
away' (this is the Diaspora bit)

With me so far ? Follow along ..

'I steal your bike' (this is the bit the Arabs did after AD70)

Still with me?

'a year later, you come back and reclaim your bike. It _is_ yours,
after all, right? Well no... apparently I don't believe so, 'cos I
start harassing you for it, beating up your children, throwing Molotov
cocktails through your window ..'

Now comes the pièce de résistance, hein ?

'You get fed up with the attacks, and you give me the bike back'

You see, your error was ('is') in interpreting the word 'back' as having
some moral 'value' pertaining to the legitimacy of the possessing the
object (or in this case, the land). It has none. That the Arabs
'possessed' the land during the Jewish exile, does not make the land
theirs, any more than my managing to hold onto your bike for, say, ten
years, makes it _my_ bike.

Oh and don't call me a thick **** again, son.

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I wasn't aware of that. Shavoua tov. But there are such things as
anti-Semitic Jews (racist blacks etc).

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I believe I answered it fully.

D.

 

Son? Hah.

I'll call you whatever I like you fucking Yid. If you don't like it,
killfile me

I note how you, again, didn't answer my question.

 

there are such things as

To my small mind, an anti-Semitic Jew is not at all the same thing as a
racist black.

 

Your awareness is irrelevant.

Is that some kind of French spelling? Actually, it's not been a good week.

Yes yes. You're kind of missing my point, although, I suspect that's
deliberate.

 

So run me through it again, why would you give back something that is
lawfully yours?

 

Usenet doesn't lend itself to the Hebrew script.

D.

 

To buy peace.

HTH.

D.