Is it me, or the bike? BMW K1200RS question

You're slipping. You forget that he's from the BAY AREA!

-- Michael

 

I still remember a lecture we kids got as children, delivered by my mom.
The phrase, "half crushed, screaming boy," still resonates in my mind as
she described what might happen if we ran out in the road without
looking. Believe me, it made a bigger impact than any cage driver ever
had the opportunity to make. We were well trained quite early to
recognize the dangers of those annoying 2000 lb. metal monsters zooming
through our playground.

I've had several dogs, and none have ever escaped to play in traffic.
That's why your argument is spurious, you are ignoring the
responsibility factor of parents and dog owners to keep their charges
under control, or at least aware of the tragic possibilities.

Deer, like sea lions, are having a population explosion due to human
intervention in their world. No predators. Human related food sources.
Deer are vermin in some areas, can't be hunted, and someday will have a
terrible population crash as a result. In the meantime, they're nothing
but a nuisance, and any impact on their numbers can be viewed as beneficial.

Yeah, well, I guess they're not culinarily inclined. Would you have left
it in the road for another rider to slide into? I'da kicked it to the
curb as well. It became a traffic hazard. It would be irresponsible to
just leave it for the next person to encounter.
As for the pictures, well, all I can say is, it was an interesting
subject and if they offended you, you shouldn't have looked at all of them.

This is true. Bambi could also have been a SUV screeched sideways and
stalled across the road. However, I can appreciate his joy in not only
demolishing a hooved rat, but suffering little but valve cover scratches
on his robust vehicle. I would be pretty ecstatic as well over an
encounter like that, and glad that it wasn't a full grown critter.
BMWs rock, no doubt about it. Closest thing to an urban assault vehicle
on two wheels. Of course, mine is all metal, none of that Japanese
influenced plastic they're sticking on everything these days...but I
tell you what, with those Bridgestone Spitfires, it's one of the
nimblest bikes I've ever ridden. Power steering that reads your mind!
(just got it back from the shop, now I remember what accelleration is
all about. Go on, laugh, you sportbike boys. You'll still beat me, but I
have a great time anyways!)

barbz

 

It's what people do to seperate "us" from "them."
Scientologists like Doc Wong call us non-Scns "wogs."
Cage drivers call us "donor cycles"
Neocons call everyone who doesn't agree with them "liberals"
Everyone calls pigeons "feathered rats," although they are quite nice
when poached in a wine sauce.
Hang glider pilots call gawkers "wuffos." (wuffo you do this?)

We have pet names for everything that is not "us." In Rodney King's
perfect world, we would all just "get along." But that's not human
nature. We tribe up. We exclude "others" with language tricks. You may
as well resign yourself to it and move on.

barbz

 

<smilodon> You call THOSE canines? THESE are canines! </smilodon>

barbz down under

 

My response to someone asking what to do about deer eating the flowers
from her garden: "get a pack of coyote."

Charles

 

Another innocent life falls victim to the "Nazi War Machine".

 

Huh, moral not legal issues discussed?

You missed something or read what you wanted. I said, "if it'd been
the fawns mom or dad, Brandon's rhetoric would be either non
existant-(deceased) or in the hospital". IOW, larger game would have
brought the mighty BMW down, just like any other bike.



[...]
Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"

 

MY bike is "non-partisan."

barbz

 

Like you said, Sunny, "heaven forbid" -

Hell no, I'm just trying to get Brandon to show some humility.

I have been "surprised" by Elk, deer, bicyclists and large dogs at
least 20 times over the past two years" but the ~60 lb dog was the
closest call. At ~80 on an uphill blind mid sized sweeper, I came upon
said dog standing still, in my lane. A slight line change and him
being surprised enough not to move either direction, saved the hit.
And like Brandon's fawn, he probably would not have brought me down.

Side impacts are a bitch, Sunny. I've seen several in net videos and
they weren't pretty. Given our terrain out West, I don't consider not
seeing deer lurking on the sides an option.

My sympathy Sunny. I recall your accident.

The bike jab was merely an attempt to get Brandon to show some
humility. Shit, I ride with a guy on a R1150RT all the time and I
doubt he would have hit the deer either.

Amen. And my point is that he' not be so cocky if he'd had.


Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"

 

On 10 Sep 2003 15:09:52 -0700, (Michael) wrote:

[...]

I didn't even realize this was X-posted to ba.moto. Had I known....
well shit.
Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"

 

Yes Andy and I've seen a bunch of Elk, Deer, dogs and cyclists that
could have made easy targets.

You never watched the many, on-bike, video's I've posted in AMS, Andy
- (see videos far below)

Also, my mantra while in the high country is Don't ride before 9:00 or
after 5:00PM and if I have to, very slow. This riding window, avoids
common feeding hours. Just this May on 191, Mike (AZ929RR) on my bike,
came on a large Elk standing in our lane; us approaching at ~80. Then
later as I passed Mike at near 120 on his bike, I pointed at 3 deer to
our right over in the meadow. I think that scared him. But, we were
coming back from town around 5:00PM or at the end of the riding
window. Then heading out the next morning, we came on three open range
calves standing in the road. No close calls.

Andy, on our recent 1800 miles Colorado trip, and traveling at dusk,
motorists warned us of deer ahead; "lights blinking". Turns out we
stopped at the next town overnight, rather than pushing our luck. We
also had a deer whistle on one of the four bikes. The next day and
approaching a ~100MPH, the lead guys, Kevin, waved his arms as we
encountered half dozen cattle in the middle of the road.

see below videos but deer are rare in the 1st one and common below 9AM
and after 5PM.

http://extexltd.com/bigrex/MOV00080.MPG
http://extexltd.com/bigrex/MOV00051.MPG

Above road, (local canyon loop) deer sightings only during very early
hours winter/spring.

http://extexltd.com/bigrex/MOV00094.MPG

Streaming ok using braodband on the above three links.

http://extexltd.com/bigrex/Bob&Mike_191b.wmv

This last one is huge "255megs" and won't stream (download 1st)

On the above road (191-devil's highway), frequent elk, deer sightings
between before 9AM and after 5PM during summer.

Amen, Andy.


Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"

 

No shit sherlock. See my videos on reply to Andy Burnett.
Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"

 

Just a good job you have those runty deer down there.
The deer inside Winnipeg alone can demolish a pickup truck.
--
Bob Mann

It's always darkest just before dawn.
So, if you're going to steal the neighbour's newspaper,
That's the time to do it.

 

Up until now, I hadn't. Have now, minus the large .wmv.

That certainly helps, though as you undoubtedly know, with deer,
anything is possible.

It's been a long time since I've had a scare with an animal. I like to
think I'm pretty observant too, but I'm not going to promise anyone I'll
never hit a deer either.

I think GaryJ may have had a deer whistle on his bike the last time he
hit a deer. Don't remember for sure; maybe he can correct me if I'm
wrong. Anyway, I suspect the things are snake oil.

ab

 

I figure most full grown deer around here are in the 200-250 range.
Some are smaller of course but I have seen some pretty large carcasses
lying on the side of the highway.
Here's a couple of articles about the deer population inside the city
of Winnipeg:
http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/wildlife/problem_wildlife/whitetail_wpg.html
http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/wildlife/problem_wildlife/wildlife_and_vehicles.html

60-70 Deer strikes a year inside the city. (pop about 650,000)
Once had a couple of friends who hit a Moose on the way to the lake
riding a Honda 750. The passenger got the worst of it, slid down the
highway on his head.
--
Bob Mann

It's always darkest just before dawn.
So, if you're going to steal the neighbour's newspaper,
That's the time to do it.

 

You mean 'Axis' deer, of course. They're from Germany, Italy, and
Japan...hehe

barbz

 

LOL.

--
Mike

I didn't crash, there was a sudden burst of gravity.

icq - 219328929

 

Air activated deer whistles are worthless. It turns out that deer can
hear about the same range of frequencies as a human - so ultrasonic
sound does not affect them (well, the whistles may work on dogs)

Scaring deer away from motorcycles with "additional" noise is iffy
anyway: even at moderate speed a bike produces > 60dB of sound ... if
that won't scare the deer what will?

Also, I told everyone what happened when I put a pair of deer whistles
on my bike backwards...

 

No, it was just really heavy, it felt like the front was going to go at any
moment. No confidence at all in it.

 

My solution: dear heads on spikes. Warn the other fuckers that we mean
business!

Charles