It's all for our own safety, dear. And it's fairer.

And those who don't have anything to hide obviously have nothing to
fear either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4610755.stm

"If the public reaction is favourable, as the government expects"
sounds a bit too much like "you vill fafour zis!"...

Oh, and for those who CBA to click on the link above, the gubmint is
trying to push for road pricing via black box.

"Every vehicle would have a black box to allow a satellite system to
track their journey,"...

 

I think you'd get so many people prepared to defy this, that it wouldn't
work. I for one would, if anyone tried to stick a little black box on
any of my bikes.

But...

As usual, it doesn't talk about bikes.. Maybe it's going to be tied into
this speed limiter thingy they want to fit to everything?

 

Muck scribbled on the back of a napkin:

Well, I'm kind of the same persuasion - makes me wonder if registering
the bikes at my mum's place in Switzerland would work. Unless everybody
gets handed a compulsory black box at customs...

Wouldn't surprise me. Remind me again why these cunts got reelected?

 

My daily commute would cost nearly 100 quid. Even if I move nearer to
work, which I'm planning to do next year, it'd still cost 30 odd quid.
They can **** right off.

 

Because, as you well know, the others would be worse.

Perhaps before everyone started on the cunts bandwagon and considered the
full facts [1] or is that too difficult?

If it reduces congestion and fuel costs surely thats a good thing;
particularly for rural areas without decent public transport.


[1] Is it definite that it'll attached to speed limiters? What
costs motorcycles? Do you know or is this another example of lazy
thinking?

 

Rope fumbled, fiddled and fingered:

Does'nt revenue account for 75 to 80% of fuel cost now?

Driving people off major routes and back down smaller A roads, simply
moving the congestion elsewhere.

Possibly but I'd personally like to see them put a working public
transport infrastructure in place first THEN start with the changes to
encourage people to move to that system.

The real thing that stick in throat is that it seems a bit intrusive
being monitored where and when you move. Surely we could have CCTV in
our homes on the principle that if you're not doing anything wrong you
have nothing to fear, but they could help protect the you from burglars
and/or domestic violence?

I'm just a tad suspicous of where all this ID card, CCTV monitoring, GPS
tracking is leading us to to be honest.


--
Steve Parry
K100RS SE & F650
and a 520i SE Touring for comfort

(not forgetting the SK90PY)

http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

 

Yes, I would be spending £60 per day, it wouldn't make me use a
different time or route, I have no choice, and I'm in an industry that
is driven by its customer's needs.

It would actually be cheaper for me to go on the dole!

 

I'll have a £20 wager that is not the case - especially if you bought
your house post April 1995.

 

Timo Geusch fumbled, fiddled and fingered:

Wonder where all this GPS gubbins would fit on a motorbike?

What would happen with commuter bikes with 6v systems?

Given the amount of times my GPS system drops its satellite connection
I'd be a bit suspicious of the accuracy of the total tracking.


--
Steve Parry
K100RS SE & F650
and a 520i SE Touring for comfort

(not forgetting the SK90PY)

http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

 

Most people already have a black box, it's called a mobile phone.

It's all going to end in tears.

 

Timo Geusch fumbled, fiddled and fingered:

They did'nt .. the other parties lost so this bunch got in by default

--
Steve Parry
K100RS SE & F650
and a 520i SE Touring for comfort

(not forgetting the SK90PY)

http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

 

I'd be paying 12k a year to drive to work and back.

One huge flaw is that GPS requires line of sight to the satellites.
So what happens if you stick something over the receiver?
You don't get billed for that journey , or will they have it linked to an
immobiliser so that the engine won't run?
What then happens if you drive into a tunnel?

--
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk
www.sffh.co.uk
www.ebayfaq.co.uk

 

Which isn't registered in my name , doesn't allow tracking to any great
degree of accuracy , and can be turned off when I want.

--
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk
www.sffh.co.uk
www.ebayfaq.co.uk

 

That's not strictly true these days.

It'll be built into new cars / bikes during manufacture I'd have
thought.

It would have to be a long tunnel, besides, if the tunnel is curved,
then you'd be charged for only the straight line linking the two points
the GPS was locked onto, which would be slightly less.

All it takes is some bright spark to buy or build a denial of service
box so the GPS won't work for everyone in an area. It would overload any
optical enforcement system quite quickly.

 

Well.. duh. It was an example of the creep of this type of technology
into every day lives.

 

Don't you believe it.

--
ColonelTupperware,
spouting bollocks on Usenet since 1997
Usenet FAQ at
http://www.its.caltech.edu/its/services/internetapps/news/news2.shtml
UPCE FAQ at http://upce.org.uk/ UKRM FAQ at http://www.ukrm.net/faq/

 

In city centres with densely spaced transmitters that have 8 or 16
directional antennas they can triangulate you quite effectively , but once
you get outside then "over there ----> " is about the best you'll get.
--
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk
www.sffh.co.uk
www.ebayfaq.co.uk

 

Is it not?
What sort of obstruction will they work through?

A bit of lead flashing wrapped round it ought to do the trick :0)

So old bikes will suddenly become a lot more popular , and plenty more of
them will drop off the system with no registered keeper , MOT or insurance.

--
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk
www.sffh.co.uk
www.ebayfaq.co.uk

 

Wager all you like, it'd cost me more to travel to work than I earn. In
fact, working it out, after I'd considered running costs, I'd not
actually be able to pay the tax to get to work.

Judging by the amount of traffic I encounter on the way to work, we can
assume it'll be a higher rate too.

 

There was a little bluetooth GPS module that claimed lock where others
couldn't. Tallbloke had one, I think it was called something like Xtrac.

There are nice electronic ways of stopping GPS, but I'd think that the
components used in them are on the restricted list as it were. If no GPS
were to work, say, within a radius of a few kms, that would upset
people.It would also upset aircraft, but they have inertial guidence to
fall back on.

If inertial guidence systems are employed as a backup for the car
version, then I'd think that some sort of ultrasonic device would upset
them a little. Gawd... I'm over thinking again...

Big pointy sticks, and tim foil hats is what's needed.. heh.

That's the one. As ever there will be ways around 'the system'.