[QUOTE="doetnietcomputeren"] [QUOTE] Drinking lager marks you out as a particular sort of man, regardless.[/QUOTE] You might think that, but you and your sort are among the minority when you look at the world 'beer' drinking numbers. [QUOTE] As does frequenting pubs that don't sell decent beer.[/QUOTE] Which, outside of Uk and some European countries, can often be quite hard to achieve. Besides, on a hot day, in a hot place, such as, California, or even say, Mexico - I'd much rather drink a decent cold Mexican beer[1], than I would a pint of bitter/ale or a decent Belgian. [1] Pacifico, Modelo Especial, Dos Equis etc.[/QUOTE] While I'm extracting that hook I'll expand it's the British mass produced lager that seems especially 'orrible. Carling, Tennants et all. Sure on a hot day served ice cold it has some effect but Pellegrino served at the same temp would too. The mass produced bitter you get in UK pubs, particularly in Scotland and Ireland, is even more insipid. And nothing is more likely to make me throw up than bottles of Dog.