Just a thought.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Beav, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. Beav

    Beav Guest

    With all the work going on with bikes to make them slip through the air as
    efficiently as possible, particularly when they're race bikes, why has
    no-one considered dimpled body work (like a golf ball) to get the desired
    result. Or haave they and I just don't know about it?

    I saw an episode of Miffbusters a while ago where the blokes covered a
    normal car (Mondeo type) with clay/plasticine/summat and then dimpled ****
    out of one and left the other smooth.

    Tests were carried out for speed and fuel efficiency and interestingly, the
    dimpled car won on both. Not by a massive amount, because the speed the cars
    could reach was pretty useless, but enough to confirm the myth. Barnes
    Wallace apparently had the same idea when he designed the bouncing bomb too,
    but Bomber Harris thought it was a ridiculous idea. Seems someone was wrong.

    If a golf ball can fly twice as far with a dimpled surface than it can with
    a smooth surface, I can't see it *not* woking on a fairing.

    So now you can rip the **** out of me for even considering it.
     
    Beav, Nov 4, 2010
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    Hog Guest

    Thanks, I'll have my Ducati dimpled now please
     
    Hog, Nov 4, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    bikes, in normal operation, are not spinning.
     
    darsy, Nov 4, 2010
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    M J Carley Guest

    Dimples don't need spin to reduce drag.
     
    M J Carley, Nov 4, 2010
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    Paging TBC. TBC to the wind tunnel telephone please.
     
    Simon Wilson, Nov 4, 2010
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    Geo Guest

    <snip>

    AFAIK the Fireblade had golfball-like dimples at the front of the fairing
    based on that logic, so you're not the first one to consider it. Provided it
    actually does work enough to make a difference, my only guess why it's not
    been widely used would be stability/downforce-related, but that again would
    apply more to racecars. Shouldn't be very expensive to manufacture I think,
    given the non-metallic nature of motorcycle fairings.
     
    Geo, Nov 4, 2010
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    M J Carley Guest

    <lurch>

    `You called?'

    Dimpling a golf ball reduces drag by making the flow over it turbulent
    which helps stop separation and resulting increased drag. On a bike,
    there is already massive separated flow because of the shape. Dimpling
    the fairing is not going to change that.
     
    M J Carley, Nov 4, 2010
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    sweller Guest

    IIRC, they were holes.
     
    sweller, Nov 4, 2010
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    Thomas Guest

    I think manufacturing would be a not insignificant problem. One, a
    dimple on a mold is a bump. It takes a lot more machining time to
    create a mold with all those bumps, adding cost. More important, when
    making the fairing, you'd have to lay up a lot of fabric around the
    dimples, or leave the spaces around the dimples empty of fabric, just
    solid resin. Seems time-consuming and difficult to achieve quality
    results, BICBW.
     
    Thomas, Nov 4, 2010
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    Geo Guest

    I was thinking more of injected plastics rather than fibre composites but I
    see your point, particularly regarding molds. Still, I think that if the
    benefits were significant it should be doable without really adding that
    much to the cost. You make the molds once and then use them for pretty much
    the entire model's production.
     
    Geo, Nov 4, 2010
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    Ian Field Guest


    Maplin sell one of those 12V rotary tool thingies, one of the milling bits
    has a ball end about 2mm or so.
     
    Ian Field, Nov 4, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    I suspect the effect on the overall cost of the mould would be pretty
    minor.

    However, as was pointed out, the dimples only work by some magic means
    to do with disturbing the boundary layer, which is a thin layer of air
    next to the surface of the object. This magic helps the airflow
    'stick' to the shape as it tapers away from the airflow at the back,
    rather than break away and cause major turbulence & drag. As the main
    part of a motorcycle fairing is at the fromht, dimples would have
    little effect. I'm sure someone will correct my explanation.

    Dimples on the tailpiece might help but by then the airflow would
    probably be pretty broken.
     
    Pip Luscher, Nov 4, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    'fromht' being a local dialect term for 'front', of course.

    WTF that came from, I've no idea.
     
    Pip Luscher, Nov 4, 2010
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    davethedave Guest

    Des O'Connor in drag? Where?
     
    davethedave, Nov 4, 2010
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    Lady Nina Guest

    I've only ever had one <smiles, pokes at chin> still got it. I used to
    hate smiling as an early teen as I thought it made me look lopsided.
     
    Lady Nina, Nov 4, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    ISTR it's also related to the surface's Reynolds number, which
    involves the chordwise length of the surface - curved or not - the
    flow rate and the fluid viscosity.
     
    Pip Luscher, Nov 4, 2010
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  17. They were/are.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 4, 2010
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    Nige Guest

    See Stoners bike.
     
    Nige, Nov 4, 2010
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    Beav Guest

    I'll get the rasps out :)
     
    Beav, Nov 4, 2010
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    Beav Guest

    I don't think the Mondoe's used in the Mythbuster tests were either.
     
    Beav, Nov 4, 2010
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