Just failed the CA DMV motorcycle popsicle test (and I thought Ihad passed)

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by Joe Mastroianni, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. Joe Mastroianni

    Twibil Guest

    I'm sure it must seem that way to someone who can't
    really ride, can't follow a train of logic, and who thinks
    that physics stops working as his bike slows down.
    Twibil, Feb 25, 2013
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  2. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    Another side-effect of Proposition 13, eh?

    Here in Iowa the counties soak you for cages but have reasonable rates
    on bikes - I pay the same for an 11-year old Nissan Frontier as for 3
    motorcycles, scooter, and trailer combined ($20/year/each).
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
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  3. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    That is no reason to be uncivil.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  4. Joe Mastroianni

    Twibil Guest

    You also thought that your bike stopped countersteering
    as it slowed down.

    And knowing you, you're going to try arguing about it rather
    than learning from the fact that you -once more- didn't know
    what you were talking about.
    Twibil, Feb 25, 2013
  5. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    They will not let you for the BRC.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  6. Joe Mastroianni

    Twibil Guest


    Says the troll whose favorite reply is "**** you".
    Twibil, Feb 25, 2013
  7. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    Nonsense. Your fundamental understanding of how a motorcycle steers
    differently at low and higher speeds is lacking.

    Or are you going to tell me that all the advanced riding schools are
    full of nonsense? No one teaches advanced riding skills at low speeds
    (with the obvious exception of slow riding instruction). Even the Lee
    Parks Total Control curriculum which is done in parking lots and not
    race tracks (TC-1 at a SuperMoto track excepted) has the exercises done
    at speeds where counter-steering and not direct steering is used.
    I saw a guy stick out his inside foot while going into a corner at over
    100 mph - heck, he even won the MotoGP race he did it in. :)
    A track stand on a bicycle requires either a fixed gear to move the bike
    back and forth, or a slight incline (such as the camber on most streets).

    Not even the police slow riding classes expect a rider to balance a
    stationary motorcycle.
    Anyone who thinks there is no other difference but the throttle is a nitwit.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  8. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    It has taken me a *lot* of practice to be able to hold a steady throttle
    and clutch while brake-torque riding. (I practice by creeping up to red
    lights during my normal commuting.)
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  9. Joe Mastroianni

    tomorrow Guest

    No, it's not, Pete. His favorite reply is "**** off!"

    tomorrow, Feb 25, 2013
  10. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    Made up insults that do not fit? Is that all you got?
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  11. Joe Mastroianni

    gpsman Guest

    Nyuh-uh and ad hominem is not rebuttal.
    Race riding instruction is not the equivalent of novice street riding
    instruction. You are an example of motorists who think they know it
    all, and the hazards of advanced instruction... even if apparently
    "The track stand[1] or standstill[2] is a technique that bicycle
    riders can use to maintain balance while their bicycle *-remains
    stationary-* or moves only minimal distances.

    Those proficient at the track stand can maintain the position
    indefinitely. More difficult variations, mostly for show or track
    stand competitions, involve complications such as putting the non-
    dominant foot forward, sitting down, or taking one or both hands off
    the handlebars."
    You seem to have become lost in a fog consisting of your imagined
    superiority and functional illiteracy.
    gpsman, Feb 25, 2013
  12. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    You either do not understand what a troll is, or you are a liar.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  13. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    You really are clueless.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  14. Joe Mastroianni

    Edgar Guest

    As is everything in government, it's not really about rider skills.

    It's all about M-O-N-E-Y.

    The DMV has no interest in certifying riders because it costs M-O-N-E-Y
    to do it properly. So, in cahoots with the CMSP (http://www.ca-msp.org)
    they offer a "free" test, which tests nothing but which actually is
    designed to steer the rider to the CMSP class instead.

    The decidedly not-free CMSP class costs M-O-N-E-Y, which, if you look
    at the numbers, makes, overall in California, more M-O-N-E-Y than the
    entire budget of some cities & even smaller states.

    The goal is to fleece as many riders as possible, not to teach them.
    Edgar, Feb 25, 2013
  15. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    No legal requirement for any feedback. Only requirement is to follow.
    Not a requirement of the law, or even suggested in the DMV manual.
    Not something I made any comment on, other than two-way radio
    communication is *not* a requirement of the law.
    You must not be good at comprehending written English.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  16. Joe Mastroianni

    Danny D. Guest

    That max only applies to under-age riders who are
    mandated, by law, to take the class.

    Those who take the class in lieu of the lillipop
    must take a class which has no mandated max.
    Danny D., Feb 25, 2013
  17. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    "Few activities in street riding are as frustrating as having to make a
    low-speed, tight turn in a limited amount of space - especially if you
    don't know the technique. I always teach this skill last in my Advanced
    Riding Clinic because it require the exact opposite technique than the
    one used in higher speed cornering, and I don't like to confuse people."

    Page 86 of Total Control by Lee Parks, 2003 edition.
    You really should seek professional help.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  18. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    So why are you using those as your rebuttal?
    That is a false accusation, and not even a clever one. If I knew
    everything, why would I spend a rather hefty chunk of change for 4 to 6
    days of advanced instruction each year?
    Have you ever watched racers at a velodrome track standing? They are
    certainly not stationary, with the bikes rolling back and forth slightly.
    We are not discussing professional acrobat level activities beyond the
    capabilities of most persons.
    And all you have are foolish insults. (Be we knew that.)
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  19. Joe Mastroianni

    Tom $herman Guest

    What is the MSF policy on class fees? A cursory search of their website
    does not show anything.
    Tom $herman, Feb 25, 2013
  20. Joe Mastroianni

    gpsman Guest

    The same reason you have provided no video of your participation...

    You seem to have lost track of your ignorance of differences in
    advanced racetrack and novice street training, which seems unlikely to
    occur to a person of your purported education, training and

    Maybe it's just me...
    BTDT. Watching appears to be the limit of your experience.
    Because it's easier.
    "At some point you'll feel perfect, motionless equilibrium."

    You blew a couple chances to shut the **** up.
    I didn't know foolish means "supported by evidence".

    Where's yours that track standing requires a fixie, and a grade...?
    gpsman, Feb 25, 2013
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