K1100LT overhaul

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG, Nov 23, 2006.

  1. TOG

    TOG Guest

    That was instructive. I decided that as the K11 had a slightly patchy
    service history - not much in the way of receipts for the last five
    years, but stamped up before that - I'd get the independent specialist
    recommended by Timo to go through it, but completely, from stem to
    stern.

    I knew it would cost, but I figured that I'd be starting from a clean
    sheet of paper, and could work out a proper maintenance schedule.

    So, at 23,000 miles and 13 years, this was what Brian (ex head mechanic
    at L&C in Tunbridge Wells) fixed, did or flagged up:

    1. Complete 24,000 mile or two-year overhaul. Every single fluid,
    valves, plugs, filters, Motronic and ABS check.

    2. Replace floating disc rivets on front discs (some vertical play
    evident)

    3. Replace missing exhaust manifold stud (!). A dealer had replaced the
    silencer, according to the papers I have, but in so doing... Amazingly,
    it wasn't blowing.

    4. Replace neutral light/gear psition switch. Swinging arm out job, so
    good time to check all the drive shaft couplings etc and the swinging
    arm bearings. All A-OK.

    5. Replace rear disc pads.

    6. Sort out dodgy seat catch.

    7. Replace bulb in fuel gauge

    8. Replace missing bolt in electric windscreen hinge (I'd noticed some
    unusual play).

    9. Re-mount fairing. At some stage it had been off because the bike had
    taken a slight knock. On the inside of the panels, you could see where
    a repair had been made and then the fairing and tank had been
    resprayed. This was given a thumbs-up, as apparently it was only a
    small bump and a very good quality repair job, but whoever had replaced
    the fairing had got fasteners muddled and hadn't put it on exactly
    straight. I hadn't noticed. It now has proper BMW fasteners in all the
    right places.

    I hadn't detected any play in the head races, but was shown that with
    just your fingertips on the bar end, and your other fingertips on the
    frnt tyre, you could *just* feel an incipient notch in the centre. "But
    OK for another year at least."

    The fuel filter was the original. Never been changed from new. That
    makes one wonder, considering the service book was properly stamped and
    receipted for the first six or seven years.

    Items missing: the pad at the back of the tank that prevents the seat
    rubbing the paint, and the 'LT' badge from the front of the fairing.

    This man is incredible. He must have 'BMW' running through him like
    letters in a stick of rock. He observed that the front pads weren't
    genuine BMW ones, and said they could wear the discs, which being ABS
    discs, cost £Eeek! each. I pointed out you could get pattern ones from
    MotorWorks and he frowned as if I'd said something dirty.

    "I only ever use genuine BMW parts. I don't have any pattern parts here
    at all," he said, severely.

    This extended to the spark plugs. They were NGKs, and although NGK
    recommend a fitment for the K, BMW don't (apparently) recommend NGK
    plugs, so it's got Bosch ones in it now.

    IMHO, this is *exactly* the sort of geezer you need.

    So, when all was said and done, he said the bike was now "exactly as it
    came from the factory" and reckoned that it was a very, very nice K11LT
    indeed. Which is reassuring to know.

    Price ? A whisker short of £700. Not cheap, definitely not cheap, but
    excellent value for money.
     
    TOG, Nov 23, 2006
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    antonye Guest

    Nice. Luckily I've found one of those for the Ducatis
    and you don't mind paying slightly over the odds
    to ensure that your machine(s) are well looked
    after.

    Interesting about the fuel filter. I've done my own
    intermediate services and always score any filters
    with a scribe to mark the date on them - that way
    I know they get changed and know when they
    were last changed too.
     
    antonye, Nov 23, 2006
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    TOG Guest

    Actually, given the fact that he had the bike for two whole days and
    did a helluva lot of work on it, I think this was way cheaper than a
    genuine BMW garage would have charged.

    BMW put the date on their fuel filters at the factory when they fit
    them new - this one was dated 1992! He marked the date of fitment on
    the new filter, though.
     
    TOG, Nov 23, 2006
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    In communiqué <>,
    TOG@toil.?.murray.invalid cast forth these pearls of wisdom


    Seems a bit harsh. Does that extend to only using the one true BMW oil
    whatever it is?
    Is he official or independent? Managed to find an excellent independent
    Alfa specialist in the 75 V6 days. The official dealers were cunts.

    Indeed. I had a long chat with Loic from French Bikes Imports last
    night. He has made contact with all two of the Voxan owners in the UK he
    could find out about from Issoire HQ.

    Very keen to let us know that the dealers he signs up will be required
    to offer parts and service for our older models. It really does sound as
    if this will be very much a 'family' business. No guarantee of
    excellence or the right attitude, but far more encouraging than the
    prospect of 3X.

    Soooo tempted by a black Street Scrambler he has offered me. He is
    finding out from the factory just what has been done to it, but on the
    basis of the Charade 'Racing' specs. we could be looking at 120BHP at
    the rear wheel. The 'SS' (don't go there right) model were used for the
    Voxan Moto Tour team.

    --

    +-------------------------------------------------------------+
    | Pete Fisher at Home: |
    | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest Yamaha WR250Z |
    | Gilera GFR Moto Morini 2C/375 |
    +-------------------------------------------------------------+
     
    Pete Fisher, Nov 23, 2006
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    TOG Guest

    Independent. Like I said, he was head mechanic at L&C and they were
    bought by... I forget now. Anyway, the new owners said they didn't want
    the bikes, so he set up on his own.

    His garage is extended right down the side of his house and has been
    properly converted into a decent workshop. he has all the BMW kit
    there, including all the electronic stuff, computer links, and so
    forth.

    There's an ex-race Kawasaki KR1-S of his hanging up as well, which is a
    good sign.

    Honestly, I have never met anyone quite so obsessive about a marque.
    Not even Lozzo (and his beloved RDs) comes close.
     
    TOG, Nov 23, 2006
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    CT Guest

    Don't forget that Lozzo is obsessive about BMWs too.
     
    CT, Nov 23, 2006
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    Hog Guest

    That's care and dedication for you!
    Put a K75S Fluid Block damper in the head when you change the bearings.
    It doesn't cost much and makes them feel that little bit nicer, unless
    you can go all the way with a full hydraulic damper.
    I'm not sure how you would know if I'm honest
    Lost me here! BMW pads are not the best although on the 4 piston mods
    not too bad. Disk wear Vs performance, I know which way I go. The
    biggest difference in HH or CL is the initial bite with little lever
    pressure, I like to feel a good solid bite using one finger pressure.

    On most other things I would say yes, service kits etc., go for BMW
    quality. Head bearings? I go to a good factor and get what they say is
    best.

    As for oil, BMW make a rather expensive synthetic. It does get excellent
    performance review. Over the life of the bike will you notice the
    difference with Mobil-1, I doubt it. These days I'd just use a Halfords
    synthetic unless I'm importing M1 or getting it wholesale. M1 retail in
    the UK is theft. 5L in the USA compares to 1L here.
    Agreed, I think K's and arguably boxers should always get OEM Bosch
    plugs, just work better and more reliably.
    Exciting life he leads though!
    Lot of that is having the back end out. Had you done that job yourself
    the rest would look like a very good deal.
     
    Hog, Nov 23, 2006
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    Eiron Guest

    Excellent design feature!
     
    Eiron, Nov 23, 2006
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    Hog Guest

    Yeah but to be fair it can be done with most stuff left in place
     
    Hog, Nov 23, 2006
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    TOG Guest

    Erm, don't understand this. He did everything, so as that bill includes
    having the back end apart, it sounds like a very good price to me.
     
    TOG, Nov 23, 2006
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    Hog Guest

    My point was that sw-arm removal and inspection would have accounted for
    a goodly slice of the work. Had you done that yourself the bill might
    have been 3-400 and so a very fair price all in all.
     
    Hog, Nov 23, 2006
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    TOG Guest

    Ah. Some parts were expensive, though. The rivets for the discs were
    about £25 a side.
     
    TOG, Nov 23, 2006
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    Hog Guest

    Yoikes!
    At the mileage I do wonder if that was a bit anal
     
    Hog, Nov 23, 2006
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    TOG Guest

    Well, quite. There was certainly a tiny amount of vertical play. But
    what I wanted was to get the bike absolutely 100% sorted, as good as it
    was possible to get it, and so I didn't mind. And Brian is definitely
    like that. You can almost imagine him tasting the new engine coolant
    before pouring it in, just to check it was the right vintage. When you
    want a job done properly, you really need this sort of bloke.
     
    TOG, Nov 23, 2006
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    Steve Parry Guest

    .... and most other K stuff is very easy access (plugs\injector
    balance\filters [1]\shims\rear wheel)

    [1] although the air filter can be a bit fiddly but no major hassle
     
    Steve Parry, Nov 23, 2006
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    TOG Guest

    Shims are a cams-out job on the K11.
     
    TOG, Nov 23, 2006
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    Steve Parry Guest

    I know but my point is the cams are easily accessible compared to an average
    Jap multi.
     
    Steve Parry, Nov 23, 2006
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    Lozzo Guest

    Hog says...
    Cheap compared to £9 each[1] for the AP Racing ones that were fitted to
    the Gixer. It worked out cheaper to replace the discs with PFM ones than
    it was to just replace the bobbins only on the AP discs.

    [1] 8 per side

    --
    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    GSF600SW (broked)
    "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" does not refer to
    blasphemy during ejaculation - Tori 2006
     
    Lozzo, Nov 23, 2006
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    wessie Guest

    Anecdotal evidence suggests most BMW dealers use Castrol oil. Not sure
    about Ks but BMW now recommend 20W/50 for the boxers as this greatly
    reduces oil consumption. Personally, I just chuck whatever is on promo at
    Halfords, ASDA etc. Although, I haven't stooped as low as that
    ASDA/Wilko/Tesco stuff at £2.99 for 5 litres as it does not claim any API
    rating....
     
    wessie, Nov 23, 2006
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  20. Oh, right.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 23, 2006
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