Kiwi? not!

Thanks cobbers..

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Australia-to-send-onewoman-crime-wave-to-Ne
w-Zealand/2004/12/16/1102787209209.html

 

: Thanks cobbers..
:
:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Australia-to-send-onewoman-crime-wave-to-Ne
: w-Zealand/2004/12/16/1102787209209.html

Actually, given her legal status as a New Zealand citizen, the only
surprising thing is why she wasn't deported earlier. Whilst I may have some
sympathy for her social predicament, her legal status is what determines her
fate. She is not likely to be granted citizenship here given her criminal
record, so what other recourse is there? It probably needs to be said
(though it shouldn't) that her criminal history is largely her choice, and
this is one of the consequences.

P

 

I don't claim to have any knowledge of the legal situation
whatsoever, but I'd be very interested to know a bit more.
AFAIK, we and the Kiwis have more-or-less reciprocal rights
for pretty much anything. There's no particular reason or
need for someone passing between Oz and UnZud or vice versa
to piss about with the complications of naturalisation,
'cos for many reasons, we're effectively the same country.
Tasmania is just "the other south island", albeit with an
extra head per person.

I do note tho that on that telly show about customs and
stuff ('Border Security') recently, they (Au Customs) did
refuse entry to a kiwi with a criminal history of, shall
we say, messing with little boys bottoms. Apparently bad bad
criminality serves as grounds for refusing entry. I wonder
how bad you have to be to be refused entry and/or get sent
home.

G

 

: : > Actually, given her legal status as a New Zealand citizen, the only
: > surprising thing is why she wasn't deported earlier.
:
: I don't claim to have any knowledge of the legal situation
: whatsoever, but I'd be very interested to know a bit more.
: AFAIK, we and the Kiwis have more-or-less reciprocal rights
: for pretty much anything. There's no particular reason or
: need for someone passing between Oz and UnZud or vice versa
: to piss about with the complications of naturalisation,
: 'cos for many reasons, we're effectively the same country.
: Tasmania is just "the other south island", albeit with an
: extra head per person.
:
: I do note tho that on that telly show about customs and
: stuff ('Border Security') recently, they (Au Customs) did
: refuse entry to a kiwi with a criminal history of, shall
: we say, messing with little boys bottoms. Apparently bad bad
: criminality serves as grounds for refusing entry. I wonder
: how bad you have to be to be refused entry and/or get sent
: home.

I'm no expert either, but the 'reciprocal rights' thing is a courtesy
extended rather than a right. Technically, persons are still citizens of
their own country. We do have a variety of things like medical cost
exchange etc, but ultimately, unless naturalised, a Kiwi remains a kiwi and
verse visa.

P

 

There's some rules around social security - Kiwi's aren't fully entitled
unless they have permanent residency (which is just as hard to get for
them as for a Pom or a Chinese or whoever - they get no special rights).

They have full entitlement to "permanent abode" ie they can stay and
work here as long as they like, and they're entitled to medicare (what's
left of it). The social security thing used to be full rights each way
but that's been whittled away over the last 10 years or so.

JL

 

From an NZ point of view, this seems a bit rough. The girl had left NZ when
she was 1½ years old so was essentially Australian. She had grown up in
Australia and had learnt all her bad behaviour in Australia.

It might be technically correct to send her back, but lacks moral
justification.

Cam
in NZ

 

Moral Justification,

Keep all your bad eggs in one basket.

Boxer

 

Cam wrote:

Have you lived in Oz?

Moral justification doesn't play a real big part in government policy here.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

:
: > I'm no expert either, but the 'reciprocal rights' thing is a courtesy
: > extended rather than a right. Technically, persons are still citizens
of
: > their own country. We do have a variety of things like medical cost
: > exchange etc, but ultimately, unless naturalised, a Kiwi remains a kiwi
: and
: > verse visa.
:
: From an NZ point of view, this seems a bit rough. The girl had left NZ
when
: she was 1½ years old so was essentially Australian. She had grown up in
: Australia and had learnt all her bad behaviour in Australia.
:
: It might be technically correct to send her back, but lacks moral
: justification.

I agree, though having only read about it in the media, I doubt am remotely
close to fully informed.

P

 

Morals of any kind :-(

We sold them to buy a house....
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Robert-M...tled-prosperity/2004/12/19/1103391635009.html

JL

 

: manson wrote:
: > Cam wrote:

<snip>

: > Moral justification doesn't play a real big part in government policy
here.
:
: Morals of any kind :-(
:
: We sold them to buy a house....
:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Robert-M...tled-prosperity/2004/12/19/1103391635009.html

This bit had me laughing...

"Although there is no reason to believe that ultra-cautious Kim Beazley
could have won this year's election for Labor, my guess is that he would
have lost it with considerably less ignominy."

It would have been more not less, because of the repeat factor...

Just another case of Australians voting with their hip pockets instead of
brain/heart/concience.

P

 

John, every time someone quotes Manne, Baby Jesus cries.

 

REALLY ?!?! OH KEWL !! I wish you'd told me earlier, how many cries does
it take to induce a nervous breakdown ? Complete catatonia would be even
better !

JL
(Solstice is the reason for the season*)

 

Actually, given her legal status as a New Zealand citizen, the only

Maybe sending her back is the Governments way of making the ignorant masses
believe they are doing something regarding the appalling state of the
judicial system in this country.

There's about a million more versions of this trashy tramp and sending her
back doesn't scratch the scratch on the scratch. It solves nor achieves
nothing. If she is considered to be an ongoing threat, or somebody that has
demonstrated over and over and over again that she's not capable or willing
to assimilate into the law-abiding collective (i.e. 30 jail terms), then
imprison her forever about 6-feet underground.

Anyway, NZ has been milking the 'one way' "Trans Tasman" agreement as a
dumping ground for years. Time for us to reciprocate the favour