KrJr out

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Julian Bond, Oct 22, 2005.

  1. Julian Bond

    Julian Bond Guest

    KrJr won't be riding again this year and his contract is not being
    renewed.

    So I guess that's it.
     
    Julian Bond, Oct 22, 2005
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Is it?
    That attitude is in your head, not mine.
    Really? If he didn't ride on the limit for Suzuki because the bike
    wasn't good enough and it wasn't worth it, why should he ride on the
    limit for the Proton? And were McWilliams et al really so much slower
    than he's ever been? neither of those seem "sure as hell" to me.
     
    Julian Bond, Oct 22, 2005
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    pablo Guest

    I can't believe that Suzuki puts in that clear spin of dismissal in their
    statements, that is not classy at all: "Suzuki has made this decision
    because it must look towards the future and the new breed of motorcycles and
    racers that are due to arrive on the scene. .." Not very nice considering KR
    got them a world title they still like to brag about. KR, on the other hand,
    is very professional in his statements, thanking Suzuki despite the fact
    that the team clearly has failed in providing him and Hopkins with a
    remotely competitive bike. If Suzuki thinks they can get young riders *and*
    improve the bike dramatically with just 2 bikes in the grid they're stupid.
    A least one of the 2 riders must be experienced and with a proven ability to
    run near the front given the amount of bike development they still seem to
    need to go through.

    I'd be interested to see what Roberts does on a more competitive bike, the
    latter part of this season has seen him making a good case, which together
    with his championship would make me consider him, if I was a team manager.

    Hm. Just wondering whether in the near future Rossi will indeed take on the
    challenge of becoming the only rider to win titles on all major bike brands.
    I think him doing it on a Suzuki *and* a Ducati may be a stretch, but one of
    the two... that may still be in the cards. Hopefully at that point in time
    guys like Hayden and Melandri and Pedrosa can thwart his plans... And wow,
    Pedrosa is indeed little, there was a picture of him standing next to Rossi
    in Spain's El Mundo Deportivo paper, and it was like Stallone looking into
    the Hulk's chest in one of the Rocky movies.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Oct 22, 2005
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    pablo Guest

    I can't remember reading the latter anywhere, really.

    As to the former: What you fail to take into account, Mark, is that in these
    discussions the statements are not against the US riders themselves, but
    rather against your extremely partisan portrayal of them. Which leads to a
    polarized discussion quite naturally that probably doesn't really reflect
    what either "side" of the argument really thinks about the riders. I think
    that is the theme in these discussions.

    I do not think at all that Roberts should leave the paddock, he is a former
    world champion, and in the last few races he has shown his competitive fire,
    and he had yet again a *very* impressive performance in the rain that proves
    he is deserving. The problem from there is that for you the fact he is
    deserving is because he is still one of the very best natural riders (which
    given his DNA may very well be true), and for you that is a fact, whereas
    others look at him with more reservations. It may or may not be significant
    that he has shown more competitive fire as he learned that his time with
    Suzuki was up, because it may indicate that he was indeed coasting some. And
    while that's understandable from the point of view of a former world
    champion who is riding an uncompetitive bike, a team manager is likely to
    have a different view, and will eventualy revamp his team - which in turn
    may explain the hidden (and unclassy) venom in some of the team manager's
    statements.
    Except Hinda keeps experienced riders on because they know they need them
    for input. A team of young, inexperienced riders will be highly motivated
    until they break a few bones on a bike no one's giving them set-up
    references for. We shall see. Look at what happened to Fortuna Yamaha this
    year: with Checa they got reliable top 10s, then they go for the "youth
    movement" thing and wind up laughing stock of the paddock. The bikes are not
    as bad as their results this year indicate, it's just that Xaus and Elias
    without experience were in way over their heads. It was a predictable
    result, and I think Suzuki may very well be heading the same route. Hopkins
    is a great talent, but I think the team may benefit from someone with more
    experience, which may explain why they talked to Biaggi some.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Oct 22, 2005
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    Paul B Guest

    pablo wrote:
    efully at that point in time
    I'm wondering if Ped's small size which has been a huge benefit for him
    in the 125 and 250 classes will work against him in the MGP.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Oct 22, 2005
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    Ed Light Guest

    Ed Light, Oct 22, 2005
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    Julz Guest


    It's about time
     
    Julz, Oct 23, 2005
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    Henry Guest

    I don't know how he did in 2000 (yeah, I have seen the races...), but he
    was a road block before and after. Not shame on Robert's, but it cannot
    be only the bike... Wasn't Robert one of the guys having a technical
    problem when loosing places against a women?

    Henry
     
    Henry, Oct 23, 2005
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    pablo Guest

    I think that's harsh - given KR Sr continued involvement in MotoGP, I don't
    think he had a lot of choice when it came to location, unless he'd left his
    family in the USA while he lived (alone) in Europe. To slam Roberts for
    something he had no control over is over the top. It's not because anyone
    felt they were "too good" for AMA, but rather because they happened to be
    Americans living abroad, and actually in the case of Roberts Sr had been a
    pioneer that deserves a lot of respect.
    I think the situation is somewhat different inasmuch as growing up and
    starting one's career under the shadow of a MotoGP legend like Robrts Sr
    probably is tough, while growing up with the support of someone as
    fun-natured as Graziano Rossi, who was very good but never a legend, is
    easier to manage. I think the Roberts clan had access to more open doors
    than the Rossis had, but whether Roberts' Sr truly gave his sons all out
    support or let them fend for themselves to a large degree we'll never quite
    now. What I have heard is that he was very tough and demanding to
    *discourage* them from racing professionally, while Rossi Sr was supporting
    and nourished his son's talent.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Oct 23, 2005
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