Le Mans (spoiler etc)

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by pablo, May 16, 2011.

  1. pablo

    pablo Guest

    Kinda predictable at this stage, my take on it is...

    1. Stoner continues to be *the* guy that clearly makes the most out of
    the superior Honda package

    2. Pedrosa whines on, it was *his* mistake standing up the bike and
    ploughing into Simoncelli, who had passed him clean

    3. Watch out, the Ducatis are getting better... but will they improve
    fast enough to pose a challenge...?

    4. If the Yamahas get weaker while the Ducatis get stronger... I guess
    we'll know ho to credit with being the top bike developer... :D (hint:
    it ain't Hayden :D)
    pablo, May 16, 2011
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    sturd Guest

    pablo gives his take:
    I didn't see that from the US coverage. Not a good enough angle.
    Sure looked like Simo chopped off the midget from what I saw.
    Couldn't be sure though. Race control thought so - thus the
    ride through penalty. The on-bike from Pedrosa's bike sure
    looked like the midget had the line but I think that view is even
    less reliable than the other camera shots.

    Yeabut. The factory Hondas don't take each other out and
    Ducati / Rossi don't look quite as good.

    No surprise there, if it really happens.

    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
    sturd, May 16, 2011
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    Julian Bond Guest

    This one will run and run. IMHO:-
    - Simoncelli should have waited one more corner, and/or given Pedrosa
    more room

    - Pedrosa should have given up earlier. He was going to lose the place
    no matter what. If not then, then 1 or 2 corners later.

    - Pedrosa's braking was out of control. The back wheel was coming off
    the ground. If he'd braked just a little harder, earlier and more under
    control he could have made the corner in the 1.5 meters of tarmac that
    Simoncelli left him. And then lost the place on the next corner as he
    would then have been on the outside.

    - So I think both riders were to blame, somewhat,

    - But race control were right to penalise Simoncelli to encourage the
    others and to force him and them to think a little before going for an
    unlikely pass. It's not ballet, it is a contact sport, but it needs to
    be clean and relatively safe for the global TV market. It apparently
    takes a few raps on knuckles to remind them.

    - There's been quite a few incidents lately that feel like they've been
    born of arrogance. What Stoner so succinctly called "more ambition than
    talent". Roughly, "I'm the great XXX. How dare this little shit get in
    my way as I show just how great I am". I'd put Lorenzo on Simoncelli,
    Lorenzo on Dovizioso in this. And I think this applies to Pedrosa's
    attitude to being passed by Simoncelli. Pedrosa should know by now that
    one place doesn't lose you the championship, but a crash and injury
    certainly can. He didn't have to fight for that place and was going to
    lose it shortly no matter what he did. He chose to fight back and paid
    the price.
    Julian Bond, May 16, 2011
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    les Guest

    complete and utter bo**ocks.
    IMHO, of course
    les, May 16, 2011
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    pablo Guest

    what is clear from observing the clips on motogp.com is that Pedrosa
    would have not touched Simoncelli if he hadn't stood up his bike to
    straighten his line. *that* is why they touched, and since it was
    Pedrosa standing up the bike and basically making the decision to
    touch Simoncelli with his own front wheel... it felt like a bizarre
    decision to change line and to attack with one's front wheel... fact
    is that i don't think Pedrosa has ever been good at tough infighting,
    and -as Julian said- he picked a very questionable moment to get all
    martial on the racetrack. Simoncelli was through, Pedorsa had lost
    out, and it was up to him to concede. and either he didn't want to, or
    he didn't know how to (and the latter is my guess, i think he has only
    one way to lap a circuit and can't change the line even when it means
    going down as in this case).

    i do agree Simoncelli is a bit of a loose bullet and that there have
    been too many questionable moves as of late, so maybe that's why they
    are going for a smackdown, but i hope they are consistent in enforcing
    it (Rossi definitely deserved it when he uselessly took down Stoner).

    pablo, May 16, 2011
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    Ed Light Guest

    Ed Light, May 17, 2011
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    Ed Light Guest

    Ed Light, May 18, 2011
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    Idea Guest

    3. Watch out, the Ducatis are getting better... but will they improve
    Rossi still beat Lorenzo fair and square though and gave Dovi a good run for
    his money, some might argue that Lorenzo was on his number two bike, but if
    you cant adjust ... then thats all part of racing too, its not always going
    to be perfect for any rider.

    I predict more podiums for Rossi this year and certainly dont rule out a win
    or two ... same go's for Simonceli, Lorenzo is right to be worried there.

    We need more *racers* like Rossi and Simo and less *prima donna* attitudes
    like Stoner and Lorenzo IMHO.

    Bring it on.
    Idea, May 18, 2011
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    Julian Bond Guest

    2 sides to that. Should Simo have been punished? Should the punishment
    have been something in the race like the ride through or left till
    Julian Bond, May 19, 2011
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    sturd Guest

    Champ wonders:
    It's the fro.

    Simo's a racer no doubt. I like that a lot.

    Schwantz's read is Pedrosa shoulda let Simo go. Not sure
    I agree with that but interesting angle:

    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
    sturd, May 20, 2011
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