LeMans tidbits

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by pablo, May 23, 2010.

  1. pablo

    pablo Guest

    Lorenzo ahead now, but on the other hand I expect him to start falling
    off again when he starts to put pressure on himself. When he isn't
    quite as fast he still believes he is... at least that's been his
    pattern. Let's see.

    Rossi is close enough -as always- to pounce and take advantage of any
    mistake.

    Ducati must be very happy with Hayden's results. Stoner is looking
    like a total rookie, and given his pattern he can't continue to blame
    it on bad luck alone. He is fast, but much like Lorenzo he tries to go
    too fast too often.

    Dovizioso finishes ahead of Pedrosa, again, and is ahead on points.
    The days of Pedrosa at HRC should be numbered. HRC must know he is not
    a rider that can get them the title unless they magically hand him a
    bike that is very superior... and he does not know how to contribute
    to bike development, period. His years in HRC betray that fact.

    Spies for now seemingly and very disappointingly following the pattern
    of WSB greats that underperform in MotoGP. Hopefully the trend changes
    soon, but he is entitled to a learning season. Or two. :)

    The bottom ten positions are quite close to each other in points, it
    will be interesting how the season develops. And it is shocking to see
    just how far ahead the official teams are, with the possible exception
    of Melandri and De Puniet.
     
    pablo, May 23, 2010
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Except that the rear spun out on him this time. Spalding speculated the
    same thing and that Ducati had put so much effort into rear grip that it
    was now overpowering the front. Then had to eat his words when we saw
    the helicopter shot a few seconds later.
    Edwards has had a pole and podiums at Le Mans. Like Haga, was last year
    his last best shot?
     
    Julian Bond, May 24, 2010
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    Julian Bond Guest

    What happened in that bunch on the last lap? Presumably Barbera put a
    hard pass on Simoncelli who then got swallowed up by all the others.
     
    Julian Bond, May 24, 2010
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    Chris Paine Guest

    Except that in his interview with the BBC during the race, and in the
    comments he made quoted on the MotoGP.com site, Casey says it was a
    front end problem. I've got to admit it looked like the rear going in
    the pictures. So is it possible that the front went first? Could the
    racers in the group comment on whether it is possible for a rider to
    mistake a rear end crash for a front end crash?
     
    Chris Paine, May 24, 2010
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    Dirt Guest

    It's very possible to lose the front and then spin out. The front
    washes on you, but not totally. The bike leans over more and starts
    to fall as the front washes, but then the front wheel turns in with
    the slide, catches and arrests the fall but by that time the rear is
    at an aggravated lean angle because of the situation and is
    overwhelmed . The rear then goes away from you and to the outside
    observer it may seem like a rear end crash. I may not be describing
    it correctly but I've seen it happen. I watched a friend of mine
    crash exactly this way a long time ago from about 20 yards away so I
    saw the front go, then catch and he spun out after the front caught
    again.

    -Dirt-
     
    Dirt, May 24, 2010
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    Chris Paine Guest

    That seems universal: Stuart Easton had no idea why he'd crashed in
    the 1st BSB race on Sunday.
     
    Chris Paine, May 24, 2010
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    pablo Guest

    It is a great description.
     
    pablo, May 24, 2010
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    Mark N Guest

    On the live feed you can see where Stoner lost the front, the camera
    behind him and he's just headed out of frame, and his foot suddenly
    comes off the peg at corner entry. Then it switches to the shot from
    the front, and Stoner comes tumbling through a second later. He said
    he lost the front, slid some distance on it before it all came
    unglued, apparently at the rear. Not much question that this was a
    front-end crash.
     
    Mark N, May 24, 2010
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    sturd Guest

    Michael Sierchio says:

    I was about to agree with Champ and then:

    I almost spit my sandwich into the monitor.
    Excellent!
     
    sturd, May 24, 2010
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Funny how that goes.
    - Stoner crashes out.
    - Spalding immediately says, "another Ducati front end crash"
    - Helicopter shot appears to show the rear going
    - Spalding immediately apologises and says he got it wrong.
    - Some time later we get another view and Hayden's transcript. Stoner
    loses the front, holds it on his knee, almost rescues it till the back
    end comes round. And down he goes.

    So we're finally back to the same question. Why does the Ducati keep
    chucking people off from a loss of front grip? When Michelin were still
    in the game, the story was that the Ducati was light at the front so
    Bridgestone had built an unusually grippy front tyre. Yamaha then
    adjusted their bike to suit these "Ducati style" tyres by moving the
    weight back. Honda followed suit but less so. Then we get spec
    Bridgestones, and it all changes again. It seems like this year's
    Bridgestones are more even front to back and Ducati is back to having a
    small problem with their layout and weight distribution. They can't get
    any more weight on the front because of the forward facing cylinders in
    the L. If they lengthen the swing arm, they lose rear grip. Then there's
    the fuel load. Stoner is crazy fast as always in qualifying trim. But a
    full fuel load seems to catch him out.
     
    Julian Bond, May 24, 2010
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    les Guest

    thank you

    that had me giggling a lot
     
    les, May 25, 2010
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