Leon Haslam disqualification.

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Chris Paine, May 14, 2008.

  1. Chris Paine

    Chris Paine Guest

    I haven't seen any comments in this group about Leon Haslam's
    disqualification from the 2nd BSB race at Oulton Park. James Haydon
    on the Channel 4 coverage was of the opinion that it was a mistake by
    Leon, but not one that he'd like to see penalised (this was before
    Leon was disqualified). I tend to agree with him, even though Leon
    seems to have been a bit lairy this season. Anybody else got any
    views? I'd be particularly interested in what people who actually race
    themselves think.

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, May 14, 2008
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  2. Chris Paine

    Champ Guest

    Well, I qualify on the last bit.

    I replayed it several times, and it was a 'mistake' in the sense that
    Haslam screwed up, but I think it does deserve some sort of
    punishment. It seems fairly obvious that the move was never going to
    work, and I think at that level one should expect a certain amount of
    professionalism.

    This is in contrast to my view on the Checa / Neukirchener (sp?) crash
    in WSB this year. In that incident, I felt that Checa had got past
    before Neukirchener crashed, and that it was a 'racing incident'.

    I guess that this shows that these things are pretty finely balanced,
    and it's rarely possible to make an absolute judgement.
     
    Champ, May 15, 2008
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  3. Chris Paine

    Julian Bond Guest

    Disclaimer: I don't race.
    I'm not convinced by Leon. He's obviously got some skills. But he also
    makes way too many mistakes. He's lost a couple of championships now
    because of this. At Thruxton he was pushing people off the track even
    before the Sykes incident. With Sykes it was really hard to tell if Leon
    pulled across him, or if he was just following the obvious line for the
    next corner and Sykes should have allowed room for somebody who was
    already past. But at Oulton, it was more like ramming the guy. The move
    was just never going to work.

    I think the suspension maybe is a bit harsh. But I also think he needs
    to be taught a bit of a lesson and a bit of an example made to stop it
    all getting out of control. It's a fine line because we expect people to
    make hard passes at this level, but you're not supposed to make hard
    passes that result in the other person crashing.
     
    Julian Bond, May 15, 2008
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  4. Chris Paine

    Chris Paine Guest

    That's the problem really. In the Checa incident I seem to recall that
    Neukirchner was injured, and missed the second race, but I guess these
    things have to be judged on intent rather than outcome. For people of
    a certain age these incidents always brings one mind back to Capirossi
    knocking Harada off in the 250 championship decider. At the time I
    thought Loris was well out of order, but then read interviews with
    various racers, including Niall Mackenzie (who I always, rightly or
    wrongly, considered pretty mild-mannered), who all said that they
    would have done the same as Capirossi. Mind you that was on the final
    lap of the final race of a World Championship. Perhaps the punishment
    for Haslam was partly due to cumulative incidents?

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, May 15, 2008
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  5. Chris Paine

    Switters Guest

    Not forgetting that Haslam had also "taken out" Sykes at Thruxton, the
    meeting before. Previous form and all that, and the organisers wanted to
    put a stop to it. Maybe.
     
    Switters, May 15, 2008
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  6. Here is the Capirossi / Harada incident , I hadnt seen it for years , but it
    certailny was much worse than a racing incident !


    shaun
     
    shaun doherty, May 15, 2008
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  7. Chris Paine

    Chris Paine Guest

    I did some googling to try and check whether Aprilia had publicly
    commented on whether their sacking of Capirossi was down to this
    incident, but couldn't find anything other than Capirossi sued Aprilia
    for breach of contract. I couldn't find the result of this legal case
    either. My Google Fu is weak. However I did find the following FIM
    statement about re-instating Capirossi after initially disqualifying
    him:

    http://www.fim.ch/EN/Magazine/MAG27/Case Capirossi.htm

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, May 16, 2008
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