Lids and HDs

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by F Murtz, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. F Murtz

    F Murtz Guest

    Thought it was rubbish about HDs and mat black open face lids
    I have always had open face starting with pudding with leather sides
    over 50 years ago then white like police had many years ago the last
    umpteen years mat black (never had a harley)
    My son has always extolled the benefits of closed face.
    He now has a harley and guess what?
    F Murtz, Jul 11, 2011
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  2. I always wore an open face helmet, pudding basin type, obligatory white,
    then the jet type Bell helmet, painted matte black
    Then one morning, I was about to leave for work, cold as **** windy with a
    slight drizzle
    Had to go down to the docks area
    A friend who had stayed overnight suggested that I borrow his full face just
    for the day, to see what it was like
    I had found out what I was missing out on
    Dry face and not freezing snot dribbles as I rode along.
    A salesman came into work a week later and asked if anyone would be
    interested in buying this new full face helmet
    just out from Japan
    called a Shoei
    I bought two of them, top dollar for the day...$30 each
    George W Frost, Jul 11, 2011
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  3. F Murtz

    Diogenes Guest

    Yeah, but they're not traditional dress for cruiser riders. And we
    all know cruiser riders are the REAL motorcyclists, ergo, if you don't
    want to destroy a proud culture, you wear an open face helmet (or none
    at all) when riding a cruiser.

    Let the wannabe Doohans with their wannabe race bikes and their
    wannabe racer attitudes wear fullface helmets. Temporary
    Australians, I say...

    It's all about attitude. And cruiser riders have it. I ride a
    cruiser. I have it. I love picking the Bogong moths from between my
    teeth after a ride on qa hot summer's night. Goes with the
    territory. All else is woossery.

    I love the smell of napalm... It's the smell of...



    Onya bike

    Diogenes, Jul 11, 2011
  4. F Murtz

    alx Guest

    And let the wannabe Easyriders ride cruisers, picking bugs out of the
    teeth..or picking their teeth out of the gravel when they face plant
    along the road due to the dubious handling, clearance and braking
    characteristics of those wannabe cruisers.

    To each their own.
    alx, Jul 12, 2011
  5. F Murtz

    CrazyCam Guest

    On 07/12/11 7:34 AM, Diogenes wrote:

    Oh dear me.

    He's had the bike just over ten minutes, and he's off already! :)

    CrazyCam, Jul 12, 2011
  6. F Murtz

    Diogenes Guest

    Clearly the ironic and self deprecating humour went "woosh", eh?


    Onya bike

    Diogenes, Jul 12, 2011
  7. In on Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:14:01 -0700 (PDT)

    Face it... you choose to ride a motorcycle, you risk serious and
    crippling injury.

    Arguing about minor shit and saying "that person is clearly stupid cos
    they don't wear the protection I think mandatory" is really silly
    coming from a motorcycle rider who non-riders know is risking way more
    than a bit of gravel rash. And is therefore stupid.

    I've come off in an openface, did some teeth in, still wear one.

    Same as I still ride a motorcycle despite busting a knee. Same as
    Pogo still rides one despite losing a leg.

    Those who wear open face lids don't do it because they are too stupid
    to realise there is a small chance (and it is small) of facial injury,
    they do it because they enjoy it.

    Just as we all ride bikes not because we are too stupid to realise the
    risk, but because we enjoy it.

    And everytime I hear a fullface wearer bag those with openfaces, I
    think of the horror expressed on various forums when a certain rider
    pulled a major wheelie, was crushed by his bike, and discovered that
    fullface chinbars won't withstand the weight of a bike. Horrified
    they were. Demanding a change to the Australian standard.

    Me, I wondered if he'd have been doing that if he didn't think his
    helmet made him invulnerable...

    Zebee Johnstone, Jul 12, 2011
  8. F Murtz

    alx Guest

    For the record, I apportion risk, circumstances and time between
    wearing an open face and a full face.

    The argument (where-in someone wore a full face and now lives with no
    head vs someone wore a tea towel and broke a fingernail) could be
    extended to wearing no helmet and even wearing no gear (and I do
    mean gear .. at all).

    I plead guilty to the latter and I'll be writing to every State Roads
    Misery Minister and Standards body demanding that black seats be
    banned due to the risk of absorbing infra-red energy.

    But as for thanks..they give me back aches. I'd imagine
    that with Korean cruisers that dogs will actually run the other way
    instead of giving chasing.
    alx, Jul 12, 2011
  9. F Murtz

    CrazyCam Guest

    On 07/12/11 12:50 PM, alx wrote:

    Sounds fair to me! ;-)

    CrazyCam, Jul 12, 2011
  10. F Murtz

    Diogenes Guest

    Your humour detector not functioniong?

    And anyway, I think my Hyosung cruiser handles fine, the ground
    clearance is 155mm. Leaning clearance is excellent too. And I'm not
    sure what you mean by "braking characteristics" but so far I've not
    found the bike wanting. Then again, I'm not foolish enough to expect
    it to handle like a wannabe race bike and nor do I ride it like a
    wannabe racer. Horses for courses...

    I suppose you have even harsher criticisms of vintage bikes.


    Onya bike

    Diogenes, Jul 12, 2011
  11. F Murtz

    alx Guest

    LOL. I only have to drop the word Copter Six to get my funny bone
    shaking :)
    alx, Jul 12, 2011
  12. F Murtz

    Diogenes Guest

    Now THAT is NOT funny... :)


    Onya bike

    Diogenes, Jul 12, 2011
  13. F Murtz

    F Murtz Guest

    I did not really mean to start a discourse on the pros and cons of
    different helmets,although the discussion is perfectly healthy, But to
    point out the peculiar phenomenon that a harley seems to require mat
    black open face
    F Murtz, Jul 12, 2011
  14. F Murtz

    DM Guest

    I thought about a black open face helmet when I bought my cruiser. Tried
    one on, stuck out my chin and imagined hitting the bitumen like that. Then
    I took it off and put it back on the shelf.
    DM, Jul 12, 2011
  15. F Murtz

    atec77 Guest

    Well if nothing else wearing the full face improves the odds of a broken
    neck when crashing
    atec77, Jul 12, 2011
  16. F Murtz

    Diogenes Guest

    And "colours" and "parches" and sawn-off shotties in the "support


    Onya bike

    Diogenes, Jul 13, 2011
  17. F Murtz

    alx Guest

    And taking nothing else into consideration, that's about it.

    Extrapolating this argument, presumably based on the sole premise that
    a lighter helmet carries less momentum than a full face (constructed
    of similar materials) would also suggest that wearing an open face
    helmet "improves the odds of a broken neck when crashing" over not
    wearing any helmet at all.

    I'd still go the full face for minimising injuries compared with
    wearing an open face.

    Unless a bee gets stuck in your helmet, the rider is allergic to bee
    stings, etc etc. Now if the rider had have chosen an open faced helmet
    then the bee would never have got stuck.

    Someone with statistics comparing jockey briefs with boxer shorts in a
    crash will probably be along shortly.
    alx, Jul 13, 2011
  18. F Murtz

    alx Guest

    True...very tawdry and pointless subject matter.
    alx, Jul 13, 2011
  19. F Murtz

    CrazyCam Guest

    On 07/13/11 9:30 AM, Diogenes wrote:

    FWIW, I would support motorcyclists being allowed to have sawn-off
    shotties as part of their standard kit.

    It would bloody quickly make motorbikes more "visible" to car drivers.

    CrazyCam, Jul 13, 2011
  20. F Murtz

    Nev.. Guest

    Do you walk around the world wearing a stackhat and a chinguard in case
    you fall over? What's protecting your chin? yeah yeah I know.. if you
    fall over you will instinctively put your hands out to protect yourself,
    so you wear gloves everywhere you have a good chance of protecting your
    hands and your thence your chin.. so you wear gloves everywhere, right?
    no, probably not, because the probability of falling over is so low..
    you probably only actually trip over maybe once a year and you're
    prepared to live with the risk that you survive the trip relatively
    unscathed, right? Tripping over injuries most often are grazed palms or
    broken wrists. If you're prepared to accept the risk of grazed palms,
    what do you do to mitigate an injury to your arm/wrist?

    Anyway back to open face helmets. I've been riding on the road for 20
    years now. In that time I've seen that the proportion of riders who
    wear open face helmets seems to have remained pretty constant, and
    commonly they are cruiser riders, scooter riders, posties, and old grey
    haired blokes on R65 BMWs. Over that time I've also met a variety of
    riders who were riding with injuries they had sustained in bike
    accidents. Several leg amputees, an arm amputee, people with back
    injuries, limps, scars, and just about every rider has a story about the
    time they went to hospital... yet I can't recall that I've never met or
    heard of anyone with a severe chin injury from an open faced helmet
    related incident.

    Nev.., Jul 13, 2011
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