Liquid gasket

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Eddie, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    The Fant's been marking its territory wherever it's left recently, so I
    need to reseal the LHS engine cover.

    Apparently they no longer produce gaskets for that engine, so I've got
    myself a nice tube of Loctite 5910, which appeared to be about the right
    kind of stuff.

    I've never used liquid gasket before, so any tips?

    I'm guessing:
    - clean the surfaces with some solvent first;
    - apply the thinnest bead I think I can get away with (1-2mm?),
    remembering to go round both side of any bolt holes;
    - assemble within 15 minutes;
    - leave for at least 24 hours before firing up the engine.

    Is that about right?
     
    Eddie, Sep 16, 2009
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  2. Eddie

    TOG@Toil Guest

    Sounds about right, yes. I'd say 2mm is too much, though. Believe me,
    you only want the thinnest smear possible.
     
    TOG@Toil, Sep 16, 2009
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  3. Eddie

    Eiron Guest

    Are you sure? Isn't it the same as other Ducs of the same era?
    Have you tried Mdina Italia?

    Or you could get a sheet of gasket paper from your local motor factor
    and make one like your grandfather should have taught you to do.
     
    Eiron, Sep 16, 2009
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  4. Eddie

    ogden Guest

    Post corrected.
     
    ogden, Sep 16, 2009
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  5. Eddie

    72degrees Guest


    Indeed. Strings of set excess gasket like the old orange silicone
    stuff can wreak havoc if it gets in the wrong places DAMHIKIJDOK.
     
    72degrees, Sep 16, 2009
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    Corrected post corrected.
     
    Simon Wilson, Sep 16, 2009
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  7. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
    They really don't expect any to have survived, which seems entirely
    reasonable to me.

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    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Sep 16, 2009
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  8. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    Yeah, that's what I thought. I might try it on a small section and
    re-assemble it to see how far it goes, before doing the whole lot.
     
    Eddie, Sep 16, 2009
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  9. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    More accurately: Ducati stopped using those gaskets themselves, so it's
    not surprising that they don't provide them for anybody else.
     
    Eddie, Sep 16, 2009
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  10. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    Obviously not, that's why I said "apparently".
    Yes, it is, and "apparently" they stopped using gaskets in that
    engine[0] some time after ~1995, so I was advised not to bother trying
    to get a gasket, just to use liquid sealant.

    This advice came from our friendly local mechanic, who happens to be an
    Italian bike specialist.
    No. Nor have I tried Roy at Italsport, or Pro Twins, or any of the other
    myriad Ducati specialists that I could have found by spending a whole
    afternoon using Google and the phone.
    If I do a good job with the sealant, it should be better than a gasket.


    [0] Also confirmed from an independent source.
     
    Eddie, Sep 16, 2009
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    Beav Guest

    Yeah, get some gasket paper and make a proper one.
    It's not what I'd do, but it'll probably work.


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    Beav, Sep 16, 2009
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  12. Eddie

    Beav Guest

    Or simply place a bolt slight larger than the original bolt onto the gasket
    and over the hole, then roll the bolt around in a "cone shaped" shape.
    That'll cut a perfectly sized hole without tearing the gasket material. I'd
    use the proper gasket paper stuff though, rather than a cornflakes box
    because the proper stuff comes in big enough sheets that you don't have to
    make joints in the gasket.


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    Beav, Sep 16, 2009
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  13. Or simply paint the cover gasket face with oil, grease, or black poster
    paint and print it.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 16, 2009
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  14. Eddie

    Simon Wilson Guest

    <Sets timer[1] awaiting crn post saying 'Cornflake box'>

    [1] or calendar
     
    Simon Wilson, Sep 16, 2009
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    fishman Guest

    The crank case halves on aircooled VW engines are so precisely
    machined that they fit together without a gasket so it isn't total
    fantasy.
     
    fishman, Sep 16, 2009
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    ginge Guest

    so precisely machined that they fit together... on the same
    motorcycle.
     
    ginge, Sep 16, 2009
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    Catman Guest

    Alfa single spark straight fours can pretty much do away with head
    gaskets. So I am told.

    <insert witty comment here>

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    Catman, Sep 16, 2009
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  18. Eddie

    Eiron Guest

    But they do use a sealant. What was your point again?
     
    Eiron, Sep 16, 2009
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    Adrian Guest

    2cv engines don't. The two halves of the crankcase (vertically split)
    don't require any gasket or sealant at all. No head gasket or barrel-to-
    crankcase gasket, either. Nor do they leak...
     
    Adrian, Sep 16, 2009
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  20. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember fishman

    As a publicity undertaking in the 70s, one of the silicone gasket
    companies sponsored Gerry Marshall + Big Bertha and claimed the engine
    had been assembled with no conventional gaskets apart from the head
    ones.
    Merlins were like that - problem was, pre-Packard, they took an age to
    fit and finish. So much so, if we'd been waiting for them to be made
    like that, we'd have run out of engines.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 16, 2009
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