Louisiana has lost their right to free choice

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by Elmer McKeegan, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. Louisiana has lost their right to free choice as the 1999 helmet choice law
    has been repealed!! The governor will sign the Bill revoking La. riders
    right to choose.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jun 22, 2004
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  2. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    I'm not sure if anyone else picked up the slight stirrings amongst some of
    "our own" legislators.. After spending considerable time with many of them
    over this past week, I am being impressed with the feeling that Texas is
    facing the same predicament in the very near future.. As you well know,
    Elmer... there was an undercurrent of this same helmet proposition rumored
    in the not too distant past.. Those undercurrents were addressed and
    dismissed at the time.. Also .. as you well know.. I confronted several of
    "our own" during the State Democratic Convention with quite a few of our
    concerns.. The "helmet law" being on of them.. I did come away with many
    assurances, but there is still that undercurrent that I am sensing.. Mike
    Alvey and some of our other good brothers were forced to "remove" me from
    the presence of one of our legislators who I feel, may be involved in this
    "helmet law" controversy.. As advocates for Bikers in Texas, we should be
    aware of and sensitive to the situation in Louisiana.. Thanks for the post..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 22, 2004
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  3. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Beemer, my friend.. The right for us to choose how we make our way through
    this life, is the main issue.. Responsibility is the decisions that we must
    make for ourselves.. Some decisions we make are good ones and some are not
    so good, however, they should not be made for us by legislators who are only
    interested in their own agendas or the agendas of some special interest
    entities who are financing them.. Whether or not we want to wear a helmet,
    should be the decision each of us make under the various conditions which we
    may find ourselves.. We can decide to allow legislators to make these
    decisions for us, or we can fight for the right to make our own decisions..
    When we concede the right to decide for ourselves, then we are being
    overcome by "Big Brother" and should just submit to what will come next..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 22, 2004
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  4. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Wear your helmet if you wish.. Many have fought long and hard battles to
    make sure that you have that choice.. Many have fought long and hard battles
    so ensure that those who don't like helmets for whatever reason has the same
    choice that you do.. Your eagerness to impose a mandated requirement on
    those people has no merit nor indicates any example of respect for the
    wishes of others.. It does indicate a lack in your own measure of imposition
    into the choices of others.. No one has ever advised you to not wear a
    helmet.. I insist that you not impose on my choices by legislative mandate..
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 22, 2004
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  5. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Yes .. there ARE all kinds of people in this world.. and they do make it go
    around.. For some.. the ideal would be for ALL to look alike, dress alike
    and conform to the standards set by a few.. Independent thoughts and ideas
    would not be of any use, because "Big Brother" will be dictating each
    movement ..
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 23, 2004
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  6. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Very few of the accidents involving motorcycle fatalities happen at speeds
    under 15 mph.. Very few of those fatalities would be prevented by wearing a
    helmet..Those studies are valid and should be considered.. More importantly
    is the consideration of our own decisions that we make ..

    If you have followed my postings in this issue, over the years, I have never
    referred or depended on links to some scientific "study" to determine my
    argument against laws which would curtail or limit my right to decide my own
    destiny..

    Important issues which are crucial to the kind of government we live under
    and the kind of country we live in, are being passed every day in our
    legislatures.. Those laws are hidden away and are passed unseen, unread and
    barely noticeable, until they affect us as individuals.. Two such laws were
    stopped before they were voted on last year during our regular legislative
    session.. Most of us didn't even know they were proposed nor what the
    implication of those laws would have been, should they have passed ..We
    didn't know about them..

    The ones who advocate and support laws of this kind, and support
    legislation, which would limit the right to choose, CANNOT then make claim
    of supporting the right to choose.. The two positions are not compatible and
    contradict each other..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 23, 2004
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  7. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    You don't have to get it.. The bright side of the situation is that guys
    like you and Texdays can have all the opinions you like.. the rest of us can
    be sure that you two will never be instrumental in passing any legislation
    that requires ALL of us to comply with wearing helmets.. Meantime, be
    comfortable that none of us will subject either of you to the possibility of
    proposing legislation that would "ban" or "prohibit" ANYONE from wearing a
    helmet..
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 23, 2004
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  8. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Damn... all these accidents that you have been privileged to, might indicate
    that your friends and you should have developed your survival skills a
    little better.. If you had paid better attention, you might have learned
    that the best way to survive an accident is to avoid them.. Expensive and
    glamorous riding apparel WILL NOT ensure your survival in any high speed
    crash..

    Perhaps you should consider the possiblity of an army surplus tank for your
    security on the street and highways.. Meantime... you are free to ride in
    full mail armor, if that is what you prefer.. Should you (by any stretch of
    imagination) propose, submit or "publicly" support legislation to require me
    to do the same, we will certainly confront each other...face to face..
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 23, 2004
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  9. Elmer McKeegan

    ShadowHawk Guest

    I gotta agree with you on this one, Bill. Helmets may offer an open casket
    funeral to the families... However "consenting adults" who know the
    risks of driving a bike should have that CHOICE. I don't have a problem
    with children having a mandatory helmet law - kind of like they have for
    safety-vests on kids in motorboats. But, adults should have the choice.

    That said - I have my helmet exemption sticker.. It's my legal choice as to
    whether I wear my helmet or not.. Even though I *can* ride without it - I
    promised my kids that I'd always wear it... I'm glad that I do.

    On June 2nd (3 weeks ago), that helmet saved my melon. I was T-Boned at an
    intersection where the lights were not working at all because of a blown
    transformer in the neighborhood at Hillcrest & Walnut Hill.

    I had waited for cross traffic to go (as at a 4-way stop), and took my
    turn... I had crossed 4 of the 7 lanes, and a lady to my right decided it
    was her turn - because her view of me was blocked by the vehicle to her
    left (which was stopped and waiting for me to take my turn), and she hit
    the accelerator just as I passed in front of her SUV... My bike wound up
    underneath her SUV, and I had been slapped to the ground pretty hard. All
    said & done, her insurance is paying up... My medical expenses for X-rays
    to my left foot that was landed on by the bike (thankfully no broken bones,
    though!) Bruises have finally gone away, and the soreness is about 95%
    gone... But the helmet has gotta be replaced... in addition to the other
    losses/damages to the bike.

    Bill, I gotta ask you... I know that you put a lot of effort and energy
    into working with Democrats on this issue. Are you aware of forums to
    present for the Republican side as well? If the issues are important enough
    to affect laws being passed, then it seems that both parties should be
    lobbied for the constituants wishes. This is a matter of personal choices
    that historically the Republicans have lobbied on and I (probably
    blindly) in the past ahd belived that they stood for... but in this
    election year, the Republicans (okay - Bush) are rallying on their tickets
    for votes by denying rights & priveleges to citizens. (I do have specific
    examples - but they are largely irrelevent here in this conversation)

    Rex S.
    T-Boned '82 XJ650 Maxim - Still in the shop.
     
    ShadowHawk, Jun 23, 2004
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  10. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Your last sentence is the crux of the entire issue.. The existing
    legislation was negotiated and agreed to ..The section which exempts adults
    from wearing helmets is specific.. covering financial responsibility, age
    and other conditions which give us a clear choice..
    That is the choice that you are free to make, for whatever reason you may
    have. The "sticker" issue is a sore one for many, because we were lied to
    about it's function and the disposition of the funds that it raises.. I do
    not ride with the "sticker" on my license plate.. That being said, it is
    your choice to do purchase the "sticker", if you so desire..
    Accidents will happen and the best we can hope for, is that we survive..
    The man above was with you that day, as well as the thoughts and good wishes
    of the many who have protected and watched over each of us when we mount
    these machines to go into the streets and highways..
    TMRA II is a mixed organization.. There are probably more Dems than Repubs,
    but this issue is one that we all share mutually.. In TMRA II, we address
    the issues that affect all of us and work together (when we can) to make all
    our lives better.. LOL.. if you've followed my posts over the years, I am
    obviously a Democrat.. You will also notice that I have gone after Democrats
    who have crossed the line and are not representing the constituents who
    elected them...

    Are you aware of forums to
    Our Republican brothers and sisters have always been free and entitled to
    voice their opinions and ideas at any meeting of TMRA II .. The veterans
    groups which I support also host mixed party members..

    This is a matter of personal choices
    Nossir.. Any issues which affect our liberties and freedoms should be
    discussed.. The mindset that any group of bikers will avoid specific
    discussions is blatantly misleading.. As motorcyclist enthusiast's and
    bikers, we all enjoy a fellowship and brotherhood that is awesome, for those
    who understand it.. That fellowship and brotherhood is politically feared
    and respected by the public.. Harnessed and directed properly, Bikers could
    control the outcome of any election in this country.. That is a fearsome
    prospect for any politician.. I'm glad you came through your accident with
    no serious injuries.. Try TMRA II and see what you think...

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 23, 2004
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  11. Elmer McKeegan

    ShadowHawk Guest

    You're right. Most accidents are not accidents at all.. they are a
    cumulation of events that lead up to the climax. Each event with it's
    consequences for the choices made. In retrospect - I can remember that
    when I was waiting my turn at the intesection, I had a strong urge to make
    the right turn - even though it was not the direction I needed to travel..
    It was like a little voice telling me to turn.. I ignored it, and got
    slapped to the pavement.

    What else could *I* have done? Not been in the right lane... I could have
    made myself seen earlier by being in the center or left lane... There's an
    infinite variety of "could haves".

    Rex S.

     
    ShadowHawk, Jun 23, 2004
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  12. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    LMAO... you are just trying to start some b/s .. Beemer, my friend..
    That is very true.. the only thing you are leaving out is that both democrat
    and republican brothers and sisters negotiated that legislation and as
    governor, Bush tried to water it down as much as possible.. That is the
    reason that we do not have a perfected Helmet Law in Texas, today.. Even
    amongst those who negotiated the existing law, acknowledge that it is not
    finished..

    Bush voted to repeal that old texas helmet law in
    You have pointed out what "Bill Walker" has said and done in the past.. You
    will also admit that I have gone after many of the Democrat representatives
    who fail in their committments to their constituents.. That is the key to
    good government .. representatives who represent the constituents who sent
    them there, rather than the "special interests" who make extensive
    contributions and donations to their campaigns..
    Those studies that you refer to are the studies produced by the insurance
    industry while they fought all of us over the costs of insurance premiums..
    Those studies are as slanted as many of my own.. (democrat vs Bush) LOL..

    The bill signed by gov Bush and passed
    Bullshit Beemer.. those studies were implements of the insurance lobbyists
    who supported Bush, to hike our insurance premiums and furthur enhance their
    profit margins..
    That is too damn much money to pay for your insurance..You are being
    gouged..

    People paying
    NOSSIR... it is all our problems.. You can very well be the next one to have
    your premiums increased..

    If
    That comment can very well come back and haunt you in the future, Beemer..
    Print it off and keep it on file..LOL.. For the most part.. you and I have
    been pretty much on the same page.. we differ in many of the priorities that
    I hold important for many, other than myself..
    Well said and well received.. Any accident involving a motorcycle is sad
    news for all of us who ride.. Your concession that you were not in that
    intersection at that time speaks well..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 23, 2004
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  13. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Appropriately.. one of the Resolutions we maintained was the "Failure to
    Yield" resolution that would apply in your case.. The Resolution was brought
    to the floor and passed with little or no discussion as to it's merits..
    TMRA II and ABATE represented the Resolution in committee That resolution
    had the endorsement of our republican and democrat brothers and sisters..
    What a pity, you accident happened before we could make it into law..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 23, 2004
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  14. Elmer McKeegan

    Wakko Guest


    People say the same thing about riding cycles altogether. Why are you riding
    a motorcycle when it is so inherently dangerous? I don't get it.
     
    Wakko, Jun 24, 2004
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  15. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Awww... Shuddup Waco.. Put that damn bucket on your head and smile...
    Otherwise.. you will have people talking about, "they don't know what you
    are thinking about"..LOL.. now that I have given you the worst complex that
    could be imagined.. let's go make us another "day run"... Later.. Pal..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 24, 2004
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  16. To be sure we have both strong supporters of Bush and Kerry at the D/FW
    chapter. Your personal choice is your own, we work together to make sure
    the correct people are in place in Texas. Sometimes we lose (Gov. Rick
    Perry), sometimes we win (Gov. Bush). We may argue about the correct choice
    for Prez, but we keep our heads in Texas.

    Interesting to note that our two biggest freedom foes are (were) Republican
    Senators. Former Senator Mike Moncrief who put bills in for statewide
    helmet, bicycle helmet, and rodeo helmets. Senator Wentworth who actually
    got the rider on the bill for additional insurance because he was sure we
    would kill the bill. Both had been threatening each session to bring the
    helmet issue up again, until Moncrief was taken out in the redistricting.

    One more note is that in 97 the majority in both houses was not republican.
    I believe the senate was republican but the house was democrat. It is also
    interesting to note that the democrat house was not going to agree to the
    modified helmet bill until we told them to go ahead and do it. I believe
    that if a helmet bill comes up in 2005, it will be a republican that submits
    it, just as it has been since I been involved in legislative sessions since
    95.

    Its also interesting to note that except for the faithful such as Jerry
    Paterson, most of our bills have been submitted by democrats. Also it was a
    democrat majority of House and Senate that voted in the concelled handgun
    license in 95.

    So as you can see its not so much the party, but the people you get elected.
    We work to get the right people elected. The parties do tend to take
    platforms, but the candidates are the ones you deal with.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jun 24, 2004
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  17. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Tell us about the economy in Japan and the living conditions there, if you
    will.. Would you be interested in living there ? Sounds like an economy that
    is very similar to our own, only the government has legitimized the
    insurance industry to take advantage of the consumer.. Mexico also has a
    system that is adequate.. if you have an accident in Mexico, you best have
    sufficient financing in your wallet to compensate for the damages..While the
    insurance companies post record profits and can afford massive political
    donations to our politicians who are sympathetic to their bottom lines, your
    argument about picking up tabs for motorcyclist's who have been injured
    don't even make sense.. With few exceptions, motorcycle accidents involve an
    automobile or truck .. Their insurance companies pick up the tab.. Where
    does all the liability for those expenses fall on your shoulders, as a
    taxpayer ? You are resorting to arguments used by insurance companies to
    legitimize their rate hikes and rationale for imposition of legislation that
    is directed toward enhancement of their own agendas.. Usually their bottom
    line..
    Less than four percent of the voters in Texas, elect the politicians to
    office... Four percent.. That doesn't represent a majority of anything to
    anyone.. More than 92 percent opposed the redistricting proposal .. That
    means that 8 percent supported the proposal.. HUH ? The Republican Party as
    represented these days.. by Tom DeLay and George Bush.. Tom Craddick.. Joe
    Crabbe and Rick Perry.. is a far cry from the genuine Republican Party that
    represented the constituents that elected them..Close examination of each
    piece of legislation that has been passed in the past five years is
    legislation that is geared and endorsed by the corporate interests of Oil,
    Energy, Insurance and the HMO's.. That legislation is not geared for
    entitlement of the middle class and low incomes.. By our tax structures and
    other entitlements that have been afforded to them, those corporate
    interests have shifted the burden of finance to those Middle and Lower
    income groups.. I'd go furthur and hazard a guess that none of the
    politicians that I named have bought a gallon of gas, paid for a pack of
    cigarettes or bought vehicle and home insurance, for years..Notice .. I
    didn't bring in the merits of partisan politics to this discussion...I think
    I have been trolled again.. That's OK.. LMAO

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 24, 2004
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  18. Elmer McKeegan

    Bill Walker Guest

    Ah Beemer, my good friend.. With all due respect.. you have seen my postings
    on this group for several years, and you well know that I could spend hours
    elaborating on the extravagances and corruption of the insurance
    companies..LOL.. Stop trolling your old friend in Irving.. When I look at
    the specifics of financial reports of insurance companies, and I hear the
    cries of how much money they are losing as they demand higher rates for
    their premiums, there is no compassion in my heart for them.. I feel for the
    families who cannot afford the premiums.. I don't care what other countries
    are paying for their insurance nor for the cost of their fuel..

    The founders and some of the greatest statesmen of our time have warned us
    of the dangers posed by corporate influence in our government.. Those
    warnings were clear and they are upon us all, as we speak.. Many of our own
    people make choices every day.. Pay the rent.. buy food... buy the medicine
    they need.. or pay the ever higher costs of insurance premiums.. Pay the
    high cost of the electric bill or hold your breath that the utility company
    doesn't turn it off before they get the next paycheck..

    We aren't talking luxury items here.. we are talking necessities of life..
    Our people are making choices that control the very quality of life that let
    them survive.. Is this really the best we can do ? Corporate life begins at
    the top.. and ends there.. CEO's demand obscene salaries, something like 40
    times the salaries for the ones who make that company run.. We've lost sight
    of the kind of society that was developed for us by those founders.. When
    even one amongst us suffers and is deprived, the responsibility should be
    felt by the rest .. Only the very elite and wealthiest can truly claim
    independence.. The rest of us can only depend on each other for survival..

    When we become the society that we turn our backs on each other, we have
    lost what this country is all about .. Root Hog or Die has never been the
    rallying cry for any industrialized and civilized success.. Look south of
    our border.. that is one fine example.. Mexico has historically been an
    authoritarian government.. Until the past several years, only the privileged
    few in Mexico enjoyed a quality of life that anywhere near equalled ours..
    The country was historically poverty stricken.. The privileged had dominant
    control over the lower classes of people and they lived in conditions that
    most in America cannot imagine, much less survive under.. The country was
    backward and we looked upon it with contempt.. Corporate influence in our
    government is rapidly swinging our own country toward that future.. When we
    compare our own costs and economy with other countries, most of the time, we
    are not aware of what those consequences will bring upon us.. Be very
    careful what you wish for..

    Your good friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
    There is a saying about how people dont know how
     
    Bill Walker, Jun 24, 2004
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  19. Elmer McKeegan

    Brian Walker Guest

    Somewhere in the darkness of the audience, I can't help but hear a
    "DOH!".

    To hear the "gun rights" people tell it, democrats are kicking doors
    down taking guns from people's homes. They think that just because
    Bush signed the bill into law, that means it's a "republican thing".
    They tend to forget about all the democrats who debated it and voted
    on it.
     
    Brian Walker, Jun 24, 2004
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  20. Elmer McKeegan

    Brian Walker Guest

    Somewhere in the darkness of the audience, I can't help but hear a
    "DOH!".

    To hear the "gun rights" people tell it, democrats are kicking doors
    down taking guns from people's homes. They think that just because
    Bush signed the bill into law, that means it's a "republican thing".
    They tend to forget about all the democrats who debated it and voted
    on it.
     
    Brian Walker, Jun 24, 2004
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