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Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by bogdan, Aug 22, 2006.

  1. bogdan

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    Shit, you've got a webcam at my place? :)

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Aug 25, 2006
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  2. bogdan

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    You've been readng my posts, haven't you?

    Theo :)
     
    Theo Bekkers, Aug 25, 2006
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  3. So your saying rents won't go up with this huge rise of people 'wanting' to
    move closer to the city, surely that will be a supply and demand issue and
    rents will rise as more people demand accommodation. Quality of life is not
    just financial either, I'm quite certain my quality of life would be
    reduced, no matter what my bank balance said, if I was forced by transport
    costs to move closer to the city.

    I keep doing the figures comparing the of public transport to work against
    driving, no comparison yet.

    Al
     
    Alan Pennykid, Aug 25, 2006
  4. bogdan

    sharkey Guest

    mental image: Howard singing "Two out of three ain't bad".

    -----sharks
     
    sharkey, Aug 25, 2006
  5. bogdan

    JL Guest

    No I'm not saying anything of the sort. There will be a complex
    interaction of differing preferences creating differing levels of supply
    and demand.

    At a raw level increase in transport costs for people living in the
    outer burbs going up will have a somewhat depressive effect on the value
    of homes in the outer burbs, because some people will substitute living
    closer because the increase in travel cost will exceed the increase of
    cost to live closer, to assume there will be a one for one increase in
    inner urban rental cost equal to the increase in travel cost is
    implausible, it could be plus or minus by a small or large amount
    because thats only one small piece of the picture. At some point
    equilibrium will again be reached though.
    Absolutely, of course. But not everyone will sell their house in
    Blaxland and move into Campsie so they can bike to work. Only some will,
    so the percentage change is unlikely to be huge overnight, although it
    will undoubtably be substantial over the long term, at which point
    another equilibrium of the cost benefit will be reached. The only thing
    that is sure is that a significant change in the price of a commodity
    that absorbs a significant portion of the average household budget will
    cause behavioural changes in a non trivial percentage of the population.
    Of course not, did I say it was ? Most everything can be ascribed a
    monetary value though - free time riding your bike can be valued equal
    to the opportunity cost of the money you could be earning in another job
    - but of course it's worth considerably more than that to you - hence
    there's a non linear relationship between the amount of hours you work
    and the value you place on each additional hour, that's why they used to
    have to pay time and a half and double time to get people to work overtime.
    For sure, because you get utility from being in the outer fringes, your
    location has value in itself to you. So for you that's an inelastic
    parameter, you'll give up the things that are elastic in your
    preferences before you'll give up the things that are inelastic, that's
    rational (and expected) human behaviour.

    Different people have different value sets, so some of your neighbours
    live in your suburb because it's a cheap way to gain home ownership, and
    in 5 years they'll "trade up" to a house in Castle Hill or Bella Vista
    because it's closer to the city, and then sell it and buy a house on the
    coast to retire to. Everyone has different value sets, that's why it's
    impossible to predict an individual's behaviour but very easy to predict
    the behaviour of a group.
    Of course, public transport from where you live to where you work is all
    but non existent, you'd probably have to catch 3 different forms with
    huge amounts of waiting time. That's unsurprising given very little of
    Sydney is well serviced by public transport, and Bob Carr encouraged it
    by building more and more roads and cutting funding to the public
    transport (evil little weasel that he was, I'm so disappointed - I was
    looking forward to voting for Brogden over Carr* at the next election)

    JL
    (Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian Nazi Debnam just doesn't have the
    same appeal as Brodgen :-(
     
    JL, Aug 25, 2006
  6. bogdan

    JL Guest

    JL, Aug 25, 2006
  7. Some fucker must've rewired my keyboard--it was _supposed_ to be a
    smartarsed reply containing a booth joke...
    Or maybe I've joined the Police,and my typed booth jokes are now
    unrecognisable...
    Xkjlocoublb..,';popjn;njlg *sigh*

    Puzzled Paranoid Policeman Pat
     
    Pat Heslewood, Aug 25, 2006
  8. bogdan

    Boxer Guest

    That assumes a balanced budget, the Federal Government has budgeted for a
    surplus and therefore a reduction of Surplus is also a possibility. However
    the budgetary process should predict such fluctuations in revenue from
    sources subject to elasticity of demand and allow for shortfalls in their
    forward predictions.

    Boxer
     
    Boxer, Aug 25, 2006
  9. Which, to state the bleeding obvious, makes no sense at all, since
    combat veterans are far more likely to need welfare, be disabled and
    become mentally ill than your average punter.
     
    Andrew McKenna, Aug 25, 2006
  10. bogdan

    bikerbetty Guest

    yeah, but by then it won't be Johnny's problem....

    betty
    cynical? moi?
     
    bikerbetty, Aug 25, 2006
  11. Sure it will. He's not going to retire ever, 65 years as PM is too small
    a target.
     
    Andrew McKenna, Aug 25, 2006
  12. bogdan

    bikerbetty Guest

    Aaaaaargh<kicking and punching> You mean I'm never going to wake from this
    nightmare??????

    betty
     
    bikerbetty, Aug 25, 2006
  13. bogdan

    IK Guest

    You're confusing taxes with profit, but, yes, just because we're making
    *some* money off the Chinese doesn't mean we couldn't be making a whole
    lot more...
     
    IK, Aug 25, 2006
  14. bogdan

    atec77 Guest

    Yup , but some idiot gave the Chinese a 25 year contract with difficult
    options on price increase
     
    atec77, Aug 25, 2006
  15. bogdan

    Hammo Guest

    If you don't understand, you _can_ ask.

    Hammo (but I know you just love to watch)
     
    Hammo, Aug 26, 2006
  16. bogdan

    Hammo Guest

    That's your POV. I'd hardly call 'metrocentric' a big word, and in this
    context it is quite correct.

    I agree that decisions that are made in the "big cities" for rural people do
    look like shit.

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Aug 26, 2006
  17. bogdan

    Hammo Guest

    Albury/Wodonga is two cities and it's size is often referred to by the
    "regional" population. If this what you are referring to, it also includes
    Baranduda, Bandiana, Kilara, Ebden, Bonegilla, Bellbridge, Lavena as it easy
    to and makes demarcation for needs assessments easier. Much like saying
    that the Blue Mountains is part of Sydney.

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Aug 26, 2006
  18. bogdan

    Hammo Guest

    A cover performed by Metallica and included on their Garage Inc release.

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Aug 26, 2006
  19. bogdan

    Hammo Guest

    Oh, like the time you claimed you were against unions?

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Aug 26, 2006
  20. bogdan

    Hammo Guest

    <sigh> It exists in two states, so has 2 different local governments, 2
    diff state govs, until recently a federal government department that was
    also involved in its (sic) running. To compare it as a population size of X
    against others, is, well, silly and supports the view of the "big city
    thinking". Thanks.

    Regional population supported is very important. Consider needs
    assessments, consider the "framework" and how this arbitrary label does more
    to hinder rather than show a status of ".....".

    Cool, my big city comment is right on the mark then.

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Aug 27, 2006
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