Man jailed over fatal road smash

Right. Now it's their job to help Indonesians put Australian criminals
to death or in Indonesian jails for life.

It was

The outcome would have been the same if the father never made the call.

 

I'm against the death penalty. Except for suicide; for those guys the
death penalty should definitely apply.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:28:50 +1100

Well in the case of offing yourself the chances of the wrong person
dying are pretty slim.

And the fact that killing another diminishes and damages someone isn't
a problem either.

That plenty of people can use heroin and not be a danger to themselves
or others indicates there's a lot more to this drug business than
"drugs bad".

Zebee

 

I think attempting to traffic drugs in or out of any SE Asian country
fits quite well under the "suicide" banner. What's your problem?

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Australia expects (demands?) assistance from the Indonesian authorities
to stop people from perpetrating acts which are crimes in Australia
(people smuggling) before any crime is committed in Australian
jurisdiction. I believe Australian police provide whatever intelligence
they have to Indonesian authorities. I don't see how this is any
different.

He doesn't think so.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

My problem is paranoia. I'm afraid that on my next trip to Bali someone
will put dope in my bag without my knowledge and I'll be slammed.

 

Nev.. wrote:

But we don't have the death penalty here. Just indefinite detention with
aggravated humiliation for women and children who try to escape from
countries where their existence is hell. But they're alive.

Those guys were being watched anyway.

 

Yah... it's probably a small chance, but it is a chance.

Why go there and risk that (or a bomb), when there are other places to
go *shrug*.


G-S

 

I don't have a problem with the police passing the information on.

If however they told the father one thing, then did another thing then
they are morally (if not legally) in the wrong. And it reflects badly
on them.

If an honest citizen (such as the father) who is attempting to do the
'right thing' cannot in good faith approach the police then we are one
small step closer to a 'police state'.


G-S

 

Waves hand in air - that'd be me.

You don't think there's a difference between someone choosing to perform
an act that might(1) kill them, and the government mandating a death
sentence ?

Bikes might kill you, should the govt be seeking to hang Mr Honda(2)?

Are you aware there is zero physiological damage sustained by someone
taking heroin(3) long term ?

JL
(1) There are no commonly used drugs which will definitely kill you, not
even tobacco, although it's got the highest probability of doing so, far
deadlier than heroin for example
(2) Yes I know he's already dead, but you know what I mean
(3) Heroin doesn't kill people - it's overdosing because you don't know
how much actual heroin that's in with the drano that kills people

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:26:30 +1100

based on current events, he'd be utterly stupid to.

Because are they really going to promise to nab him before he commits
the crime? Rather than allow him to do it?

No, what people have learned from this is that if your kid is
smuggling drugs, keep your mouth shut.

Zebee

 

So. Let's say for the sake of argument that the overdose rate is now
halved (and we both know that overstates the real impact by a factor of
10 or 20), we have killed two people in order to save 4000 odd, sounds
fair on the face of it really. But what if I told you there was a way to
save about 7900 of the 8000 odd, and no one needed to die, would you
support that ?

Legalise heroin.Sell it in pure doses in pharmacies at cost of
production plus a small margin of profit regulated by the government
(purity and price). Have legalised shooting rooms where assistance is
given to ensure the withdrawal addled and mentally unsound didn't cock
up their hit. End of 95% of overdoses(1)

JL
(1) There will always be someone dumb enough or drunk enough or mentally
ill enough to ignore the availability of the shooting rooms and other
safety measures.

 

The main problem with Tim's argument is that end is justifying a means
that's not particularly effective. There are better and more effective
ways to dramatically reduce the death toll.

JL

 

But the scum still have to get $ from somewhere, then kids will think
its kewl, and it aint.

**** legalizing it.

 

That's the kind of thinking that puts angry ahead of smart and makes the
whole problem worse.

"If you want to strengthen something, oppose it."

 

Ok, legalize it and open slather on grannys. infact, let them carry
the clubs for the Junkies so they can pick how slow they want to die.
Ya know, rolling pin for slow, Baseball bat with nails hanging out of
it for fast.

Give all kids tuckshop money and a needle. BRILLIANT!

Good thinking 99.

 

I'm sure that many parents who have discovered their children becoming
overly mischievous have set them on the straight and narrow path through
life by asking a policeman to give their kid a stern talking to and give
them a bit of a scare where the misdemeanour is minor and the legal
consequences non-existent because of the age of the child.

Reporting an adult child to the police on suspicion of an indictable
offence is a completely different matter.

We will be a lot more than one step closer to a police state when the
police have the power to detain a person or forcibly stop them from
leaving the country based on unsubstantiated reports from 'honest
citizens'... and we're already well and truly heading down since Sept 11
2001.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Like, the death penalty for instance?

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Actually I was just making a tongue-in-cheek point to demonstrate
Stephen's logical leap.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:48:08 +1100

Are you? I'm not...

Most people don't learn to do right by being scared. They learn to
not get caught.

After all Nev, have you had a speeding fine? Has it stopped you
speeding, or just made you more careful where you do it?

Scaring kids doesn't work any more than it works for adults. Bringing
them up to get pleasure in doing right, to do right because it's
right, that works.

Zebee