Man jailed over fatal road smash

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:54:27 +1100

Except you forgot the "logical" bit.

Zebee

 

But they have taxation for that!

regards,
CrazyCam

 

I suspect you are being conservative that it would end 95% of
overdoses... I reckon it'd be closer to 98% or 99% actually.

And yeah... I'd vote for that idea.



G-S

 

Biggus La Great. wrote:

Make it available under public health and give them a card and it'd be
free. We'd save more money than that cost in enforcement costs.

If people have a card and get free drugs as a registered addict then I
seriously doubt that kids will think that's kewl, because the government
will be supplying them and the government _isn't_ kewl. Do they think
centrelink is kewl... hardly.


G-S

 

Biggus La Great. wrote:

If they can get it free then they won't need to be violent.

Oh... and you're still doing that 'angry without thinking' thing Biggus


G-S

 

That's a poor example nev, he was talking about societal trends... and
the tendency of youth groups to go against society as part of youth
culture. Something that each generation does (although that is seldom
realised by the particular generation until they are no longer youths).


G-S

 

I was more referring to the availability in the US of the 'plea bargain'
system where a reporting individual can get a binding agreement.
Although of course the police set the offer. Never the less the
agreement is binding.

Now why you see why your example wasn't relevent Nev

Well that is of course a worry too... but not terribly relevent.


G-S

 

So would I, if given half a chance, but, because of our wonderful
system, don't hold your breath. :-(

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Yup, but the price of drugs is only what it is because it's illegal. If
smack was $5 a hit rather than whatever it is now ($50 or $100 ? I'm
guessing here) I think you'll find the majority of users would be able
to pay for it out of their wages or dole, and wouldn't have to do crime
to pay for it.

But that's an unintended bonus.

The original position stated that killing a couple of Aussies was going
to save a whole heap more Aussies. If you legalise it you don't have to
kill anyone in Indonesia to save people

JL

 

Well we are talking about Biggus, he's never shown any signs of smart to
date, lots of angry though (particularly about Italian motorcycles)
dunno why you'd go expecting him to change now

If you want to increase the allure of a substance, outlaw it

JL
(kids like being bad, if it's legal the cool factor diminishes - another
unintended positive consequence of legalisation)

 

<boggle>

How many grannies were clubbed to death by heroin users last week
Biggus, or even last year ?

You do understand that making something cheaper (because it's no longer
illegal you don't have crims making large profits) reduces the need for
people to commit crimes to obtain it ?

No of course you don't silly me, carry on, what *does* Alan Jones have
to say this morning ? Hmmm ?

JL

 

<Applause>

Indeed.

Heroin fields are in production in Tasmania right now producing opiates
for medical use. Cost of production is quite small you could supply all
of Australia with a year's supply for under a $100m, we currently spend
billions on the prison system alone, and then you've got millions wasted
in hospitals saving people who just shot several grams of drano up their
arm, or overdosed because the dosage is unknown. Then there's all the
police time wasted in court and booking junkies for various offences.

Save us a fortune, we might be able to afford to have a health system
again, maybe even upgrade a few roads.

JL

 

<snort>.

Thank god I was drinking an espresso - the volume out my nose wasn't
particularly large.

JL
(hot though)

 

How cute! For some reason he thinks the tax man is less likely to
pricegouge junkies than the dealers are!

;-)

big (of course itd be a "duty" or "excise" or some other non-tax weaselword)

 

There undoubtably would be. But even given a say 500% excise like they
have on cigarettes, merely by reducing the number of hands it goes
through, you reduce the number of times a markup is added. In another
bonus we get to keep a lot of money in Australia that's currently going
overseas (we have our own poppy fields in Tassie).

JL
(1) weak evidence though - the Netherlands is a civilised country unlike
Oz

 

Sounds a lot like "let's have a lot more laws, it's the only way to
control the anarchy. Let's put a lot more people in prison, where they
can't hurt me. Let's get everyone who looks mean and nasty and lock them
up so I can sleep at night."

See what happens when you substitute emotionalism for reason?

 

LOL good point. I'm still glad we don't have it. It's barbaric and
ineffective. We've been proving that since 1974.

 

Yup, right up until the drugs users sue the gov/companies supplying the
drugs for damage to their health.

The logic that use will diminish as a result of it been legal is
bullsh't, look at alcohol and tobacco use and abuse over the years in
society of these two legal 'benign' drugs. Just wait until some
corporation starts to market the drugs, they will be ultra cool in no
time at all.

The current system is far from perfect, but how often in life do you
find a perfect answer like a VFR as a motorbike?

the Netherlands is a civilised country unlike - ever dealt with a
Dutchman?

 

Unlike alcohol and tobacco pure heroin has no deleterious effects other
than a tendency to make you constipated. The other popular drugs are no
worse than the two legal ones I mentioned.

Nope, you've missed the suggestion - I said supplied by the govt. via
chemists. Not a free market place, a controlled supply at realistic
prices. No cool factor (in fact as Zebee said, a distinct lack of cool
factor).

Yup, I know a couple in fact, do you have a point to this question ?

JL
(and I'm not counting Theo who's probably in Oz longer than I have)

 

I think methadone is currently fully paid for by the government under
the PBS.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX