Man jailed over fatal road smash

What was that about logical leaps.

It was actually the Aussie heroin addicts creating a demand for the stuff
that should be blamed. So if they die, it's their own fault.

Theo

 

ROTFL.

Theo

 

Achtung!!!

Theo

 

Sounds like we have a precedent then

JL

 

It it is supplied under presecription, and not over the counter then
that ceases to be an issue.

The laws could take those problems into account and disallow that in
advance.

Gawd... I'm talking to someone who thinks a VFR is perfect!

Dykes yes... little dutch men no ;-)


G-S

 

I'm listening. I'm also guessing Conrad v(an) R... is a Dutchman.

Theo

 

If it was a registered drug on the public health system then it would be
the same price as other drugs on the public health list. For those with
health cards that's bugger all, and even without it isn't much.

And the medicare safety net would apply over a year anyway.


G-S

 

Yah...


G-S

 

My point exactly. Well spotted.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

*Thinks about China's war funded courtesy of it's opiate-addicted
population and the generations it's going to take for them to recover*
*Thinks about the odds of a heroin addict rewarding the community for
it's internationally reviled decision to legalise their fave thing by
doing anything besides burning their hours away in their
state-sponsored hovel and finally dying in a pool of vomit*
"If you want to increase the allure of a substance, outlaw it"
*Thinks about how hard it it to convince kids that getting hooked on
nicotine and alcohol is not a great way to spend these years we get*
*Takes her stand*

We are all responsible for the consequences of our decisions, that's
the price of being human. If somebody has chosen to smuggle drugs
through a country with the death penalty, and accepted the risk, they
can't bitch about who does or doesn't come to their aid when they get
caught, or that our country is more interested in the perception of
international justice than in looking out for them.

If there was any doubt at all that these two boys weren't drug
smugglers I'd have more to say about the justice of the death penalty,
but all that matters at this point is that it exists, and these boys
knew it, and took their chances. They're going to die, and it's their
own fault. Their loved ones are very upset, and that's their fault
too. If they've only just realised this and want to change things; too
bad - we only get one go each at this life, and most of us have control
over what happens. They didn't have to be drug operators.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:57:56 +1100

Ah! YOu were making an illogical point by saying someone else was
making a logical point.

or were you making an illogical point by saying someone else was
making an illogical not-point?

or did you just lose yourself somewhere about the third proposition of
Euclid?

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on 15 Feb 2006 22:03:01 -0800

IT isn't clear to me that all of the people who were caught did so
decide.

As we weren't in court and only have newspaper reports, we don't
really know what to believe and what not to believe, but the best I
can make out is that at least 2 of them didn't know that's what was
going on until the last minute and then were intimidated by threats to
their family.

I don't like the idea of a formal death penalty for being naive and
easily frightened. Having been naive and frightened at times myself.

Zebee

 

So you're in favour of the death penalty?

 

I saw some of the court proceedings on TV and the best I can make out
from that is that 2 of them didn't know anything about the drugs and had
nothing at all to do with the plan to import heroin from Bali to
Australia and were never in direct contact with the drugs. They've both
been sentenced to death.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Bingo.

 

You've already said that.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

There is a difference between supporting something, and accepting that
it exists. Like September 11th 2001... understanding why terrorism in
USA on that sort of scale had been a long time coming is not the same as
believing that the victims deserved their fate.

By attempting to impose our moral values on other cultures? That has
been a failure even within Australia.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

No, but courts don't have to kill people either.


G-S

 

That's ok... it needed to be said again


G-S

 

The death penalty is somewhat different though Nev, either one is
against it or one is for it. The 'understanding' bit isn't relevent.

I understand why those countries feel they need a death penalty, I
disagree with thier reasoning but I understand.

People discussing this issue should at least be honest and and state if
they are pro or anti death penalty.

G-S

No by attempting to encourage universal abolition of the death penalty,
as the EU are doing.

The UN have a covenant on Civil and Polital rights which restricts the
death penalty to 'the most serious' of crimes. Something that minor
drug running is _not_. A valuable first step is restricting the death
penalty to serious crimes.

The UN also have Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant
on Civil and Political Rights, aiming at the abolition of the death
penalty, to which Australia is a signatory.

Pressure should be being exerted by civilised Governments who are
already signatories whenever and wherever possible to encourage more
countries to sign this document.

I applaud the EU for it's strong stance on this issue


G-S