Mark Maccar alleged to have kicked pedestrian after running overher

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25404637-29277,00.html

    A MOTORCYCLIST ran into an elderly pedestrian and then tried to kick her away
    from his bike as she clung to it while he was attempting to flee, a court has
    been told.

    Joan Stafford, 69, was critically injured when the bike hit her as she crossed
    Plenty Road in Preston, in Melbourne's north, about noon on Easter Sunday.

    Mark Maccar, 24, of Mill Park, was on his way back from church when witnesses
    saw him hit Ms Stafford, the Melbourne Magistrates Court has been told.

    Senior Constable James Mitchell said witnesses saw Mr Maccar strike an object
    and repeatedly kick at it with his left foot.

    They later realised the object was an elderly woman who was caught across the
    front of the bike where she had hung on for five to 10 metres, he said.

    Sen Const Mitchell said the woman landed head-first on the road and suffered
    head injuries and a broken leg.

    He said Mr Maccar fled on his bike.

    Before the incident, witnesses had reported Mr Maccar was doing "wheelies" and
    travelling up to 85km/h in a 60km/h speed zone, he said.

    Mr Maccar later allegedly confided to his motorcyclist friend riding alongside
    him that he had hit someone and said he should not tell anyone.

    Sen Const Mitchell said Mr Maccar's thoughts were only of his escape and he had
    taken steps to alter his bike and hide parts that had broken off it.

    Mr Maccar is charged with failing to stop at an accident and failing to render
    assistance, negligently causing serious injury and dangerous driving causing
    serious injury.

    Police are opposing his bail application, saying he poses an unacceptable risk
    of offending and interfering with witnesses.

    Ms Stafford remains in a semi-conscious state in the Royal Melbourne Hospital.

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    Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF, Apr 29, 2009
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  2. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    rockit Guest

    < snip >

    No doubt, this will be debated in court, and the relevance of such
    emotional statements will be decided on.
    "Clung" to the bike \ "caught across the front of the bike" are
    entirely different things.
    Further, to repeatedly kick at something over a distance of 5 or 10
    metres would only seem possible if the bike
    had significantly slowed or the rider had exceptional reflexes.
    While the consequence of performing a rapid stop - how would one know
    what to do at that exact instant?, would be
    just guess work, seems to me that by doing so, the outcome for both
    parties could have been worse. The only way
    to maintain the stability of the bike and avoid the possibility of
    both the bike and rider crashing down on the victim,
    was to remove the thing causing the instability.
    At this stage of proceedings, seems to me that the police PR
    propaganda is all a bit rich.
    None of that just written is meant to detract from the seriousness of
    the incident.
     
    rockit, May 1, 2009
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  3. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Noddy Guest

    What, and then ride away afterwards?

    **** me dead I've read some incredibly dumb shit on Usenet, but this has to
    be up there with the best of it.
     
    Noddy, May 1, 2009
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  4. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    G-S Guest

    I hope they throw the book at the prick (and for the cross posted groups
    I ride a motorbike).

    It's one thing to hit someone being an idiot on a bike (or with a car
    for that matter) it's stupid... but it can happen.

    It's quite another thing to ride off leaving a helpless person lying in
    the middle of the road. That's a low act.


    G-S
     
    G-S, May 1, 2009
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  5. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Noddy Guest

    Indeed it is.

    I'd like to see his sentence be death, but sadly we live in a country where
    vehicle related crime goes largely unpunished.
     
    Noddy, May 1, 2009
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  6. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Noddy Guest

    It's stupid, but then he ran because he knew he was doing something wrong
    himself (like speeding for example). But yeah, you're right. If he had of
    done the normal decent thing and stopped to render assistance he'd be in a
    lot less shit than he is now.

    Personally, I hope he burns in hell.
     
    Noddy, May 1, 2009
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  7. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    dolf Guest

    You asked "How do I become a refugee?"

    Ask the former Prime Minister John Howard, who was last seen after
    Richard Pratt's funeral looking for his automobile.

    The Dutch Royal family seem to have busied themselves with a monumental
    problem of runaway cars as well."

    The police media machine in Victoria is working overtime since it was
    made public that a claim of slander is going to be brought against them
    and the police media office: wolverine vampires anyone?

    Notice has been served on the Victorian Ombudsman George Brouwer as
    advice returned on 8 April 2009.

    - dolf
    - http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html


    ">Clung" to the bike \ "caught across the front of the bike" are
     
    dolf, May 1, 2009
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  8. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Noddy Guest

    <snip>

    I think it should be compulsory for internet service providers to do
    screening tests before handing out "air time". It doesn't need to be
    difficult or invasive, bust a basic pre-contract test.

    Customer: "Hello, I'd like to get the internet on in my home please"
    ISP: "No problems sir, but before we go there I need to ask. Are you a
    fucking idiot?"
    Customer: "Yes".
    ISP: "Well, you can't have it then".

    Such simple screening would save us all from the likes of this fucking
    dickhead above, and other useless fucking brain dead sponges like Dawggie,
    Jonz, Oz, and whatever other oxygen theifs you'd care to throw in.

    I think it's time for a cull.
     
    Noddy, May 1, 2009
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  9. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Hytram Guest

    highly unlikely seeing the tosspot was seen speeding just prior to the
    incident..


    mh
     
    Hytram, May 1, 2009
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  10. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    G-S Guest

    There is a flaw with your theory...

    said idiots would no doubt get the answer wrong and say "no".

    Nice thought though :)


    G-S
     
    G-S, May 1, 2009
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  11. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    CrazyCam Guest

    Hi Daryl.

    Let me guess..... you don't ride a motorcycle.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, May 1, 2009
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  12. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Nev.. Guest

    Not like the strictly punishable pedestrian crimes. What's the penalty
    for j-walking? $20? Just because the rider rode off, just because the
    rider was observed breaking some law prior to the accident does not mean
    the pedestrian is completely absolved of responsibility.

    Nev..
     
    Nev.., May 1, 2009
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  13. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Nev.. Guest

    Looking at the reported facts, the pedestrian was trapped or clinging to
    the motorcycle after the collision and the motorcyclist didn't crash. I
    haven't hit any pedestrians myself, but I'd say that was a very low
    speed collision, and probable that the rider was not braking hard at the
    time of the collision.

    Nev..
     
    Nev.., May 1, 2009
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  14. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Noddy Guest

    What the **** does not stopping to render assistance have to do with riding
    a motorcycle?
     
    Noddy, May 1, 2009
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  15. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Noddy Guest

    I don't think anyone ever said they were, however it's interesting to
    observe how many people are willing to jump to the defence of some miserable
    **** who has committed a low act.

    I can't help wondering if that defence would be as strong if it was one of
    your mothers who was kicked off the front of the bike.
     
    Noddy, May 1, 2009
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  16. Speed wouldn't matter if pedestrians looked before stepping off the
    footpath.
    I don't know the facts of this particular case but in most cases where a
    pedestrian gets hit by a vehicle its the pedestrians fault and more
    often than not its because they are drunk or drugged.
    In either case if the rider had stopped and assisted the charges he
    would be facing would be considerably less than what he's facing now and
    his speed would be even less relevant.


    Daryl
     
    Daryl Walford, May 1, 2009
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  17. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    Noddy Guest

    I'd agree that the collision was probably quite low speed, but I'd be
    interested to know how you came to the conclusion that he probably wasn't
    braking hard.

    It's been reported in the media that he was some 25km/h over the posted
    limit at the time of the accident (which was most likely his speed when he
    started braking), and he apparently had to catch up to his friend after the
    event (who it seems was oblivious to what went on). Given that the "victim"
    survived and was apparently able to cling to the bike there's a high order
    of probability that he was braking that hard that he was doing a "stoppie"
    when he scooped the old lady up, came to enough of a stop to get her off the
    bike, and took off again to catch up with his mate after he shit his pants
    and decided to run.
     
    Noddy, May 1, 2009
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  18. I don't ride much lately but I do have a motorcycle license but what has
    that to do with anything?
    I hope you aren't suggesting he was better off running?


    Daryl
     
    Daryl Walford, May 1, 2009
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  19. Agreed but he made it very difficult for himself by running.


    Daryl
     
    Daryl Walford, May 1, 2009
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  20. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

    x_d Guest

    ROFL...

    Although I am not sure if the above mentioned Dawggie, Jonz, Oz would
    find this funny.

    Cheers.
     
    x_d, May 1, 2009
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