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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by JackH, Dec 26, 2009.

  1. JackH

    Catman Guest

    Arse covering 101

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    Catman, Dec 29, 2009
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  2. JackH

    ginge Guest

    My view is that as producing it can be up to 75% of my day job, it's a
    necessary evil. I then accept the fact that at least another 20% of
    the job is going to be me telling people what's already written down,
    so those notes are really there to remind me what I decided at the
    time.
     
    ginge, Dec 29, 2009
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  3. JackH

    ogden Guest

    I don't mind knocking out documentation. It's mostly a copy'n'paste job
    anyway and compared to the implementation itself, which is usually at
    something like stupid o'clock on a Sunday, it's pretty flexible work.

    Not to mention that a 92 page system specification helps maintains the
    impression that I do something vaguely difficult for a living.
     
    ogden, Dec 29, 2009
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  4. JackH

    ogden Guest

    Quite. There are three main reasons I churn out documentation. One is so
    I can read it and be reminded what I was supposed to be building when
    the time comes to build it. Another is so I can pass the documentation
    on to someone else to do the building so I can kick back and play
    Scrabulous instead. The third is so when we hand it over and it's not
    what the customer wanted, at least I can point to the design docs they
    signed off before they pay for any remedial work.
     
    ogden, Dec 29, 2009
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  5. JackH

    Pete Fisher Guest

    In case three, perhaps you should have done a better job at the
    Information Requirements Analysis stage? "They don't know what they
    want", you reply. Shouldn't a proper analysis help them to discover
    that?



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    Pete Fisher, Dec 29, 2009
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  6. JackH

    ogden Guest

    What's the weather like up on that ivory tower of yours?
     
    ogden, Dec 29, 2009
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  7. JackH

    Pete Fisher Guest

    "On a clear day..."

    The advantages of being a hybrid manager/analyst/programmer. We have a
    system I first developed ten years ago, still going strong and
    fulfilling the original user requirements[1]. It helped a great deal
    that I sat literally at the desk next to the manager who needed the
    system. It also helped that, at the very earliest stage, we got the call
    centre staff who were actually going to have to use it involved.

    [1] These have recently expanded as a result of a change in policy and
    funding for the service. It could be redesigned relatively easily, but
    bowing to the inevitable have recognised that will now have to be done
    by our out-sourcers using a Siebel module. I await the outcome with
    interest, though I suspect I will be drawing my old age pension before
    they deliver a flawed system.

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    Pete Fisher, Dec 29, 2009
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    Ace Guest

    *ding*
     
    Ace, Dec 29, 2009
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  9. JackH

    Pete Fisher Guest

    <googles>

    I see.
    It was SSM, RAD and proto-typing when I did my formal 'training'. Same
    roots really.

    I found the Requirements Analysis module one of the most interesting. It
    helped that the lecturer was not averse to me using esoteric quotes in
    assignment reports.

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    Pete Fisher, Dec 29, 2009
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  10. JackH

    Ben Guest

    heh.

    The result of my site visit this morning was being asked to draw up a
    task list for all the relevant parties and a proposed solution.

    This would be the same task list and proposed solution they've been
    given 3 times already over the past 4 weeks...

    It's only got to be delivered next Friday.
     
    Ben, Dec 29, 2009
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  11. JackH

    ginge Guest

    Obviously they're having problems reading it... erm... change the
    font. :)
     
    ginge, Dec 29, 2009
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    frag Guest

    took a blunt brush and painted...
    "Agile" is just a cop out for bad Requirements Analysis.

    "Ooops, sorry, we cocked up, but we can change tack and fix the design flaw
    easily, and show you that's what we're doing!"
     
    frag, Dec 29, 2009
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  13. JackH

    frag Guest

    took a blunt brush and painted...
    We introduced Agile into a project that is 3/4 of the way though its
    development cycle so couldn't get the "early feedback".

    It has come in handy to stop the management messing around with schedules
    (they can see very easily what else they'll delay), and the customers can see
    approximately when the new features they want can be delivered, and also it
    allows the customers to shuffle future features implementation dates around.
     
    frag, Dec 29, 2009
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    Ben Guest

    Rubbish. What if you're requirements analysis is perfect, exactly as
    the customer has requested it, and spot on given your examination of
    existing systems.

    And you get to the end of implementation and they say, "but that
    wasn't what we _meant_ when we asked for x"?

    Agile allows you to spot that and act on it a hell of a lot earlier
    that good old waterfall.
     
    Ben, Dec 29, 2009
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    Jimac Guest

    Ace wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles:
    Not quite. I have come across many requirements specs that are simply
    incomplete because of *assumptions* that the author makes but doesn't
    state. "Obviously there should be a means of backing up the database
    without an interruption to the service; I shouldn't have to state it".
    Heh.
     
    Jimac, Dec 29, 2009
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  16. JackH

    Jimac Guest

    Pete Fisher wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles:

    Or even pass it...
     
    Jimac, Dec 29, 2009
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  17. JackH

    Pete Fisher Guest

    Heh. "No such thing as exhaustive testing..."

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    Pete Fisher, Dec 29, 2009
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  18. JackH

    Ace Guest

    Well I'd call that a poorly, i.e. not at all, communicated
    requirement. But your point is valid - assumptions like this are all
    too common.
     
    Ace, Dec 29, 2009
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    frag Guest

    As you can tell from my other post, I was being facetious.

    A troll it was not.
     
    frag, Dec 29, 2009
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  20. JackH

    frag Guest

    Yes. I. Know.
     
    frag, Dec 29, 2009
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